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212025-08-28T01:20:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kevkevinpal opened pull request #33264: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblocktemplate (master...reduceScopeOfGetBlockTemplateLock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33264
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732025-08-28T07:28:08 <Sjors[m]1> Should we move the achow101/signapple repo to bitcoin-core? Maybe for the v30 release.
742025-08-28T07:29:00 <bitcoinlover> Hi guys, ask a question, I need to measure performance of verifying some real blocks (including utxo loading from disk), I'm going to use -stopafterblockimport to achieve this. But I found the beginning blocks starting from genesis block has few Txs which is not a good choice to test with. Any hints?
752025-08-28T07:31:16 <Sjors[m]1> bitcoinlover: I think l0rinc has been working on that issue
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852025-08-28T08:52:02 <HowHsu> @Sjors[m]1, does bitcoin core currently has benchmark like so, allow selecting some block files, then testing the connection?
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1392025-08-28T15:43:16 <bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] johnny9 opened pull request #497: Add first unittest (qt6...unittest) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/497
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1442025-08-28T15:53:20 <achow101> Sjors[m]1: any reason to do so?
1452025-08-28T15:54:38 <Sjors[m]1> achow101: consistency with other maintainer tooling and a bit easier to find. But not a big deal.
1462025-08-28T15:57:10 <Sjors[m]1> Quick sv2 workgroup update since I'll be afk during some of the meeting. I just launched a standalone sv2 template provider that connects over IPC: https://github.com/Sjors/sv2-tp
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1492025-08-28T15:58:10 <Sjors[m]1> Thanks everyone for getting #31802 over the finish line.
1502025-08-28T15:58:12 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31802 | Add bitcoin-{node,gui} to release binaries for IPC by Sjors · Pull Request #31802 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1522025-08-28T16:00:14 <achow101> #startmeeting
1532025-08-28T16:00:15 <corebot> achow101: Meeting started at 2025-08-28T16:00+0000
1542025-08-28T16:00:16 <corebot> achow101: Current chairs: achow101
1552025-08-28T16:00:16 <corebot> achow101: Useful commands: #action #info #idea #link #topic #motion #vote #close #endmeeting
1562025-08-28T16:00:17 <corebot> achow101: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
1572025-08-28T16:00:18 <corebot> achow101: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
1582025-08-28T16:00:24 <achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto hodlinator instagibbs jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark
1592025-08-28T16:00:30 <cfields> hi
1602025-08-28T16:00:35 <dzxzg> hi
1612025-08-28T16:00:35 <sliv3r__> hi
1622025-08-28T16:00:39 <jonatack> hi
1632025-08-28T16:00:43 <johnny9dev> hi
1642025-08-28T16:00:44 <l0rinc> hi
1652025-08-28T16:01:05 <eugenesiegel> hi
1662025-08-28T16:01:07 <stickies-v> hi
1672025-08-28T16:01:17 <achow101> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
1682025-08-28T16:01:23 <Murch[m]> Good morning
1692025-08-28T16:01:38 <kanzure> hi
1702025-08-28T16:01:42 <kevkevin> hi
1712025-08-28T16:02:16 <achow101> #topic Stratum v2 WG Update (sjors)
1722025-08-28T16:02:23 <achow101> <Sjors[m]1> Quick sv2 workgroup update since I'll be afk during some of the meeting. I just launched a standalone sv2 template provider that connects over IPC: https://github.com/Sjors/sv2-tp
1732025-08-28T16:02:23 <achow101> <Sjors[m]1> Thanks everyone for getting #31802 over the finish line.
1742025-08-28T16:02:25 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31802 | Add bitcoin-{node,gui} to release binaries for IPC by Sjors · Pull Request #31802 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1752025-08-28T16:02:34 <achow101> #topic MuSig2 WG Update (achow101)
1762025-08-28T16:02:57 <instagibbs> hi
1772025-08-28T16:03:07 <achow101> No updates since last week, #29675 is the pr to review
1782025-08-28T16:03:10 <_aj_> hi
1792025-08-28T16:03:13 <corebot> achow101: Error: That URL raised <Connection timed out.>
1802025-08-28T16:03:39 <achow101> #topic QML GUI WG Update (jarolrod, johnny9dev)
1812025-08-28T16:03:46 <kevkevin> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29675
1822025-08-28T16:03:50 <johnny9dev> was out last week (summer time). But getting back this week and focused on testing. I opened a PR to add a basic unittest (bitcoin-core/gui-qml#497). Going to use Qt's unittest framework and likely add GMock later on for more complex test scenarios. Will try to cover all c++ modules and use the QML test framework to do basic testing on the qml views as well.
1832025-08-28T16:03:51 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/issues/497 | Add first unittest by johnny9 · Pull Request #497 · bitcoin-core/gui-qml · GitHub
1842025-08-28T16:04:04 <johnny9dev> that's all from me.
1852025-08-28T16:04:19 <achow101> #topic Benchmarking WG Update (josie, l0rinc)
1862025-08-28T16:04:53 <l0rinc> I have been measuring IBD on raspberry pis as well, was surprised to see that it took 2 minutes to connect a block
1872025-08-28T16:05:30 <l0rinc> was talking to localhost about having a few raspberry pi 5 servers to be able to measure these things continuously
1882025-08-28T16:05:58 <l0rinc> that's it from me
1892025-08-28T16:06:34 <achow101> #topic 30.0 feature freeze
1902025-08-28T16:06:49 <Murch[m]> l0rinc: Is there some data anywhere where we could see how time for IBD is progressing over time?
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1922025-08-28T16:07:09 <achow101> we're still in feature freeze for 30.0, and the milestone has several bugfix prs on it that need review
1932025-08-28T16:07:11 <achow101> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/72
1942025-08-28T16:07:31 <achow101> anything that should be added or removed from the milestone?
1952025-08-28T16:08:05 <l0rinc> murch: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32043 shows how each PR affected the IBD time individually if that's what you're asking
1962025-08-28T16:08:30 <Murch[m]> No, thatâs not what I meant, but Iâll follow up later.
1972025-08-28T16:08:35 <stickies-v> I think #33208 can be removed from the milestone, it's not completely fixed but the most common case should be, seems fine to me to not have this be a blocker
1982025-08-28T16:08:36 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33208 | Indexes stuck on unknown best block after unclean shutdown · Issue #33208 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1992025-08-28T16:09:11 <l0rinc> achow101: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33224 has 9 acks, how can we help to move it further?
2002025-08-28T16:09:11 <achow101> stickies-v: removed
2012025-08-28T16:09:24 <achow101> #33224
2022025-08-28T16:09:26 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33224 | doc: unify `datacarriersize` warning with release notes by l0rinc · Pull Request #33224 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2032025-08-28T16:09:31 <achow101> the blocker on that is the translation string
2042025-08-28T16:10:20 <sipa> hi. not here. no clustermempool updates
2052025-08-28T16:10:22 <achow101> since updating transifex will mess up translations that have already been done
2062025-08-28T16:11:02 <l0rinc> is there a way to update the English one without messing up anything else? The translations can stay the same as far as I'm concerned
2072025-08-28T16:11:42 <achow101> if the string is updated in the source code, but we don't update transifex, it will be english for all languages
2082025-08-28T16:11:59 <achow101> even if there is a translation for the old string
2092025-08-28T16:12:00 <_aj_> could update the source test for the translations when the translations are merged?
2102025-08-28T16:12:07 <_aj_> source text
2112025-08-28T16:13:29 <achow101> _aj_: we don't update transifex after translation strings freeze
2122025-08-28T16:13:33 <achow101> not even for minor releaes
2132025-08-28T16:13:43 <achow101> but we do pull down new translations for minor releases
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2152025-08-28T16:14:50 <l0rinc> sounds like transifex is holding us prisoners here
2162025-08-28T16:15:12 <l0rinc> or hostages or whatever the term is :)
2172025-08-28T16:15:16 <_aj_> achow101: we get the translation data out of transifex and merge it in though eg #32004. do that, then bulk search and replace the current english text with the change
2182025-08-28T16:15:22 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32004 | qt: 29.0 translations update by hebasto · Pull Request #32004 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2192025-08-28T16:15:46 <achow101> _aj_: that's prone to breakage on the next translations update
2202025-08-28T16:16:19 <achow101> l0rinc: it's more of our own policy to not screw the translators
2212025-08-28T16:16:38 <l0rinc> how could it break exactly, isn't the source code being used as the source of truth?
2222025-08-28T16:16:58 <l0rinc> could other translation be messed up or just that they would have to retranslate this one in the worst case?
2232025-08-28T16:17:31 <achow101> l0rinc: the translation files also contain the untranslated string so that they can be matched against the source. what _aj_ is proposing is to modify the untranslated string contained in the translation file
2242025-08-28T16:18:05 <l0rinc> yes, it's what I proposed as well
2252025-08-28T16:18:49 <l0rinc> if we change all the keys, wouldn't that solve the problem deterministically?
2262025-08-28T16:19:07 <achow101> updating the source file in transifex will result in collateral damage in that _other_ strings will be marked as untranslated, requiring translators to re-enter and/or re-review those translations. while transifex has "memory", it doesn't fill things in automatically
2272025-08-28T16:19:31 <_aj_> so let's not do that until 31.0?
2282025-08-28T16:19:48 <achow101> this particular string would appear as a completely new string with no memory, and so has to be translated from scratch
2292025-08-28T16:20:53 <achow101> changing the translation files manually will require them to be changed manually for all strings update, otherwise the change gets reverted
2302025-08-28T16:21:21 <achow101> we do pull down translations for minor releases, and it's done by a script
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2322025-08-28T16:22:10 <l0rinc> I'm not sure I fully understand why this is an unsolvable problem, seems like a very minor inconvenience only - and I don't mind helping where I can
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2342025-08-28T16:23:38 <achow101> it's an inconvenience to all translators, and an inconvenience to the maintainers for the next 2 years. I don't think that's "very minor"
2352025-08-28T16:23:47 <achow101> *either an
2362025-08-28T16:23:55 <_aj_> seems like it would be pretty easy to change update-translations to do it automatically
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2382025-08-28T16:25:33 <l0rinc> we will have the same problem again regardless of this particular issue
2392025-08-28T16:26:25 <stickies-v> nothing against the change but i'm not sure it's worth spending this much time on tbh
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2412025-08-28T16:27:22 <achow101> stickies-v: right, is changing the string worth this much energy?
2422025-08-28T16:27:50 <achow101> l0rinc: why do you think we would have the same problem again?
2432025-08-28T16:28:14 <l0rinc> refactoring and updating strings is happening daily
2442025-08-28T16:28:36 <achow101> but not in the release branches, and generally not after translation strings freeze
2452025-08-28T16:28:52 <achow101> once we branch off, we can strings as we want
2462025-08-28T16:29:03 <achow101> this has been the process for at least a decade
2472025-08-28T16:29:39 <l0rinc> ok, seems I'm still missing some details, I'll accept of course and try to understand it better
2482025-08-28T16:29:57 <stickies-v> for #33189, maybe request review from some of the reviewers of the original PR? it was on my list for a while, but it's going to take me a lot more time than the many people familiar with the original pr
2492025-08-28T16:29:59 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33189 | rpc: followups for 33106 by glozow · Pull Request #33189 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2502025-08-28T16:30:12 <l0rinc> #33106
2512025-08-28T16:30:14 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33106 | policy: lower the default blockmintxfee, incrementalrelayfee, minrelaytxfee by glozow · Pull Request #33106 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2532025-08-28T16:32:50 <achow101> stickies-v: requested a couple reviewers
2542025-08-28T16:32:57 <achow101> Any other topics to discuss today?
2552025-08-28T16:34:13 <eugenesiegel> Just one question, how much prior knowledge is required to review #32159
2562025-08-28T16:34:15 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32159 | net, pcp: handle multi-part responses and filter for default route while querying default gateway by willcl-ark · Pull Request #32159 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2572025-08-28T16:34:43 <achow101> eugenesiegel: I don't think a whole lot is needed
2582025-08-28T16:34:44 <eugenesiegel> I am pretty ignorant of how pcp works
2592025-08-28T16:35:09 <achow101> you don't need any knowledge of pcp or natpmp. just need to figure out the details from the netlink and rtnetlink manpages
2602025-08-28T16:35:09 <eugenesiegel> achow101: ok great, I will review it
2612025-08-28T16:37:07 <achow101> #endmeeting
2622025-08-28T16:37:07 <corebot> achow101: Meeting ended at 2025-08-28T16:37+0000
2632025-08-28T16:37:08 <corebot> achow101: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-28_16_00.log.json
2642025-08-28T16:37:09 <corebot> achow101: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-28_16_00.log.html
2652025-08-28T16:37:10 <corebot> achow101: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2025/bitcoin-core-dev.2025-08-28_16_00.html
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2772025-08-28T17:39:24 <achow101> 29.1rc2 bins are up
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2802025-08-28T18:16:10 <shiza> \o/
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2842025-08-28T18:28:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6ca6f3b37b99...9ae23950ef80
2852025-08-28T18:28:18 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 509ffea fanquake: ci: return to using dash in CentOS job
2862025-08-28T18:28:19 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9ae2395 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33261: ci: return to using dash in CentOS job
2872025-08-28T18:28:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33261: ci: return to using dash in CentOS job (master...centos_restore_dash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33261
2882025-08-28T18:35:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9ae23950ef80...4d54bb2b92cc
2892025-08-28T18:35:55 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 493ba0f kevkevinpal: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblocktemplate
2902025-08-28T18:35:55 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4d54bb2 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33264: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblo...
2912025-08-28T18:35:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33264: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblocktemplate (master...reduceScopeOfGetBlockTemplateLock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33264
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2972025-08-28T18:44:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4d54bb2b92cc...6ff2d423625d
2982025-08-28T18:44:39 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9169a50 glozow: [rpc] expose blockmintxfee via getmininginfo
2992025-08-28T18:44:39 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 636fa21 glozow: test fixups
3002025-08-28T18:44:39 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c568511 glozow: test fixup for incremental feerate
3012025-08-28T18:44:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33189: rpc: followups for 33106 (master...2025-08-minrelay) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33189
3022025-08-28T18:45:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6ff2d423625d...084fd68fda2c
3032025-08-28T18:45:13 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4cf0ae4 fanquake: ci: use LLVM 21
3042025-08-28T18:45:13 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 084fd68 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33258: ci: use LLVM 21
3052025-08-28T18:45:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33258: ci: use LLVM 21 (master...ci_llvm_21) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33258
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3242025-08-28T20:04:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #32054: cmake, guix: Skip building tests in subtrees for releases (master...250313-test-binary) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32054
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3432025-08-28T22:28:53 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #33268: wallet: Identify transactions spending 0-value outputs, and add tests for anchor outputs in a wallet (master...zero-value-from-me) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33268
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3492025-08-28T23:10:59 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/084fd68fda2c...7cc9a087069b
3502025-08-28T23:11:00 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master df5a50e Anthony Towns: bench/blockencodings: add compact block reconstruction benchmark
3512025-08-28T23:11:00 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b9300d8 Anthony Towns: Revert "refactor: Simplify `extra_txn` to be a vec of CTransactionRef inst...
3522025-08-28T23:11:00 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7b249d Anthony Towns: Revert "[refactor] rewrite vTxHashes as a vector of CTransactionRef"
3532025-08-28T23:11:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #33253: Revert compact block cache inefficiencies (master...202508-cache-friendly-compactblock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33253
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