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72026-01-08T01:02:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] davidgumberg opened pull request #34226: wallet: test: Relative wallet failed migration cleanup (master...2026-01-07-relative-path-migration-failure) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34226
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452026-01-08T08:35:48 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #34228: depends: Unset `SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH` in `gen_id` script (master...260108-depends-clang-epoch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34228
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562026-01-08T10:12:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cd6e4c9235f7...8d5700ab0f12
572026-01-08T10:12:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cbf0bd3 furszy: test: migration, avoid backup name mismatch in default_wallet_failure
582026-01-08T10:12:25 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8d5700a merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#34221: test: migration, avoid backup name mismatch i...
592026-01-08T10:12:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #34221: test: migration, avoid backup name mismatch in default_wallet_failure (master...2026_test_fix_backup_mocktime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34221
602026-01-08T10:25:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #34229: [30.x] Backports & Final (30.x...30_2_final) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34229
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712026-01-08T11:23:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #34230: fuzz: Reject too large descriptor leaf sizes in scriptpubkeyman target (master...2601-fuzz-scriptpubkeyman) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34230
722026-01-08T11:35:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] tboy1337 opened pull request #34231: consensus: Fix potential null pointer crash in CalculateSequenceLocks (master...fix-sequence-locks-nullptr-crash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34231
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772026-01-08T12:03:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko closed pull request #34231: consensus: Fix potential null pointer crash in CalculateSequenceLocks (master...fix-sequence-locks-nullptr-crash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34231
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852026-01-08T12:18:27 <vasild> dergoegge, ryanofsky: Is it not a convention to exit with !=0 if interrupted? At least sleep(1), nc(1) and python programs do that: "echo $?" afterwards returns 130
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872026-01-08T12:19:17 <vasild> cat(1) as well
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922026-01-08T12:59:07 <Sjors[m]1> Do we want the IRC bot to also announce libmultiprocess PR openings and merges?
932026-01-08T12:59:31 <hebasto> ^ +1 on that
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1062026-01-08T13:45:29 <sipa> +1
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1102026-01-08T13:57:11 <dergoegge> vasild: the convention seems to be (for those applications) to return 130 on SIGINT not 1. 1 always indicates a failure afaik
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1162026-01-08T14:01:18 <vasild> https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/sysexits.h.3head.html
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1272026-01-08T14:36:54 <janb84> the 130 exit code comes from the posix / advanced bash-scripting Guide; 128 + <signal number>, SIGINT = 2 = 128 + 2 = 130
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1322026-01-08T14:49:23 <vasild> janb84: thanks, https://tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf "Control-C is fatal error signal 2, (130 = 128 + 2, see above)"
1332026-01-08T14:51:16 <vasild> So, maybe it is not appropriate to return 0 when the program is interrupted with Control-C.
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1412026-01-08T15:17:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] w0xlt opened pull request #34233: test: fix Windows CI failures in wallet_multiwallet and old binary tests (ancient wallets) (master...ascii-only-tmpdir) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34233
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1462026-01-08T15:32:55 <maflcko> vasild: Those are utilities, not daemons. For a daemon, it is normal and expected to stop gracefully and sucessfully on CTRL+C
1472026-01-08T15:33:59 <maflcko> E.g start "redis-server", then "^C323:signal-handler (1767878809) Received SIGINT scheduling shutdown...", "323:M 08 Jan 2026 13:26:49.711 # Redis is now ready to exit, bye bye...", "echo $?", "0"
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1512026-01-08T15:58:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] glozow opened pull request #34235: miniminer: stop assuming ancestor fees = self fees (master...2026-01-miniminer-fees) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34235
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1542026-01-08T16:00:01 <fjahr> #startmeeting
1552026-01-08T16:00:01 <corebot> fjahr: Meeting started at 2026-01-08T16:00+0000
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1582026-01-08T16:00:04 <corebot> fjahr: See also: https://hcoop-meetbot.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
1592026-01-08T16:00:05 <corebot> fjahr: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
1602026-01-08T16:00:08 <stickies-v> hi
1612026-01-08T16:00:11 <fjahr> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dzxzg eugenesiegel fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto hodlinator instagibbs janb84 jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure kevkevin laanwj LarryRuane lightlike l0rinc luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark
1622026-01-08T16:00:14 <janb84> hi
1632026-01-08T16:00:16 <pinheadmz> yo
1642026-01-08T16:00:16 <achow101> hi
1652026-01-08T16:00:18 <sedited> hi
1662026-01-08T16:00:22 <hebasto> hi
1672026-01-08T16:00:23 <lightlike> hi
1682026-01-08T16:00:23 <vasild> hi
1692026-01-08T16:00:24 <stringintech> hi
1702026-01-08T16:00:31 <yancy> hi
1712026-01-08T16:00:32 <fjahr> There are two pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
1722026-01-08T16:00:33 <glozow> hi
1732026-01-08T16:00:35 <kevkevin> hi
1742026-01-08T16:00:37 <enochazariah> hi
1752026-01-08T16:00:37 <brunoerg> hi
1762026-01-08T16:00:39 <abubakarsadiq> hi
1772026-01-08T16:00:40 <andrewtoth> hi
1782026-01-08T16:00:41 <hodlinator> hi
1792026-01-08T16:00:46 <_aj_> hi
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1812026-01-08T16:00:53 <furszy> hi
1822026-01-08T16:00:55 <l0rinc> hi
1832026-01-08T16:01:27 <sipa> hi
1842026-01-08T16:01:48 <ryanofsky> hi
1852026-01-08T16:01:49 <fjahr> Ok, starting with the working groups
1862026-01-08T16:01:49 <marcofleon> hi
1872026-01-08T16:01:52 <fjahr> #topic Kernel WG Update (sedited)
1882026-01-08T16:02:18 <sedited> A bunch of PRs waiting for review on the project board: https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin/projects/3
1892026-01-08T16:03:00 <sedited> Some progress is being made on experimenting with copy-on-write datastructures, janb84 has been running some preliminary benchmarks for replacing the current CChain with such a structure.
1902026-01-08T16:03:20 <sedited> that's all
1912026-01-08T16:03:40 <fjahr> #topic Benchmarking WG Update (l0rinc, andrewtoth)
1922026-01-08T16:03:47 <l0rinc> #33866 was merged, so we rebased the related PRs:
1932026-01-08T16:03:49 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33866 | refactor: Let CCoinsViewCache::BatchWrite return void by sedited · Pull Request #33866 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1942026-01-08T16:03:52 <l0rinc> #34132 - the extra error catcher cache layer was inlined to simple call-site try/catch
1952026-01-08T16:03:54 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34132 | refactor: inline `CCoinsViewErrorCatcher` into `CCoinsViewDB` by l0rinc · Pull Request #34132 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1962026-01-08T16:04:01 <l0rinc> #34124 - CCoinsView acted as part-interface, part empty implementation - split it into a pure interface and an empty implementation.
1972026-01-08T16:04:03 <cfields_> hi
1982026-01-08T16:04:05 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34124 | refactor: make `CCoinsView` a purely virtual abstract base class by l0rinc · Pull Request #34124 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1992026-01-08T16:04:09 <l0rinc> And a PR was split off from #33018:
2002026-01-08T16:04:13 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33018 | coins: remove SetFresh method from CCoinsCacheEntry by andrewtoth · Pull Request #33018 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2012026-01-08T16:04:15 <l0rinc> #34207 - GetCoin() is an interface for querying the UTXO set, so production implementations should only ever return unspent coins - adjusted tests to make them more realistic and exercise cases that can actually happen.
2022026-01-08T16:04:18 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34207 | coins/refactor: enforce `GetCoin()` returns only unspent coins by l0rinc · Pull Request #34207 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2032026-01-08T16:04:18 *** cfields_ is now known as cfields
2042026-01-08T16:04:23 <l0rinc> There's also PR now for untimed setup phase for nanobench: #34208
2052026-01-08T16:04:25 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34208 | bench: add fluent API for untimed `setup` steps in nanobench by l0rinc · Pull Request #34208 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2062026-01-08T16:04:31 <l0rinc> Two PRs were split off from #31132 since they can be reviewed and merged independently - I'll let andrewtoth expand on those.
2072026-01-08T16:04:34 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31132 | validation: fetch block inputs on parallel threads 3x faster IBD by andrewtoth · Pull Request #31132 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2082026-01-08T16:04:40 <andrewtoth> We measured #31132 in a cloud environment with network connected storage, and it is >3x faster reindex-chainstate https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/31132#issuecomment-3678847806.
2092026-01-08T16:04:41 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31132 | validation: fetch block inputs on parallel threads 3x faster IBD by andrewtoth · Pull Request #31132 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2102026-01-08T16:04:47 <andrewtoth> It is also faster connecting blocks at tip during steady state. It has been thoroughly fuzzed, and we split out two other PRs #34164, #34165 from it that could have small benefit on their own (and would help make #31132 easier to review).
2112026-01-08T16:04:49 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34164 | validation: add reusable coins view for ConnectBlock by andrewtoth · Pull Request #34164 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2122026-01-08T16:04:52 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34165 | coins: don't mutate main cache when connecting block by andrewtoth · Pull Request #34165 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2132026-01-08T16:04:54 <andrewtoth> We're in the process of measuring windows but having some inconsistent results.
2142026-01-08T16:04:55 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31132 | validation: fetch block inputs on parallel threads 3x faster IBD by andrewtoth · Pull Request #31132 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2152026-01-08T16:04:59 <andrewtoth> Review on the split out or main PRs are welcome. That's it from me, thanks.
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2172026-01-08T16:05:14 <sipa> i plan to dive into these PRs soon!
2182026-01-08T16:05:31 <l0rinc> Thanks sipa - Q: given how much effort is put into cleaning up the coins cache, would it help if we made a tracking issue/PR/project for it?
2192026-01-08T16:05:32 <andrewtoth> sipa: thank you!
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2212026-01-08T16:05:52 <sipa> i think a tracking issue makes sense for all coins cache related improvements
2222026-01-08T16:06:15 <l0rinc> Will do that, thanks
2232026-01-08T16:06:20 <l0rinc> that's it from us
2242026-01-08T16:06:25 <fjahr> #topic Cluster Mempool WG Update (sdaftuar, sipa)
2252026-01-08T16:06:53 <sipa> hi
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2282026-01-08T16:07:31 <sipa> main PR to review is #34023, which optimizing the cluster linearization algorithm, after it was replaced by SFL in 32545
2292026-01-08T16:07:33 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34023 | Optimized SFL cluster linearization by sipa · Pull Request #34023 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2312026-01-08T16:08:04 <sipa> there is some ongoing discussion that may use some conceptual input on #33335
2322026-01-08T16:08:07 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33335 | txgraph: randomize order of same-feerate distinct-cluster transactions by sipa · Pull Request #33335 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2332026-01-08T16:08:35 <sipa> the PR there proposes introducing more randomness for sorting equal-feerate transactions and chunks, to fix a privacy leak (reveal information about the order transactions were received)
2342026-01-08T16:09:03 <sipa> but randomness also has downsides in terms of non-predictability, worse block propagation, and ability to monitor behavior on the network
2352026-01-08T16:09:21 <sipa> so i'm considering (and implementation) and alternative that makes the ordering deterministic; PR forthcoming
2362026-01-08T16:09:43 <sipa> that's it for me
2372026-01-08T16:09:43 <l0rinc> would it be configurable?
2382026-01-08T16:10:03 <sipa> i don't think it makes sense to make this configurable
2392026-01-08T16:10:19 <dergoegge> hi
2402026-01-08T16:10:37 <fjahr> #topic Net Split WG Update (cfields)
2412026-01-08T16:10:45 <instagibbs> thanks sipa
2422026-01-08T16:11:04 <darosior> hi
2432026-01-08T16:11:11 <cfields> I've spent this week profiling and benchmarking a few assumptions (send/receive buffer sizes, corking behavior, etc) in our net code after the chacha20 speedups to ensure that the net split doesn't bake in any bad assumptions. Thankfully things look quite balanced, so I'm setting that aside and continuing with the manual code movement. Not much to see yet.
2442026-01-08T16:12:19 <l0rinc> cfields: I have experimented a bit more with your ChaCha20 branch: do we understand why clang is ~2x faster than gcc? At least it is for me on every platform I tried
2452026-01-08T16:13:46 <cfields> l0rinc: I mostly tested with clang, so I suppose that makes sense. I didn't realize there was _that_ much difference though. I can spend a little time looking at the generated code to see what the main differences are.
2462026-01-08T16:14:26 <sipa> 2x is remarkable - it sounds like some vectorization step that one compiler does and the other doesn't
2472026-01-08T16:14:27 <l0rinc> I think I found a config that speeds up GCC - and even clang a bit, but it's still a lot slower
2482026-01-08T16:15:32 <fjahr> Moving on, this is probably best discussed after the meeting :)
2492026-01-08T16:15:34 <fjahr> #topic Fuzzing WG Update (dergoegge)
2502026-01-08T16:15:35 <cfields> It's very sensitive to register allocation. Perhaps gcc misses out somewhere. l0rinc: let's chat after the meeting and compare notes.
2512026-01-08T16:15:42 <cfields> fjahr: ð
2522026-01-08T16:16:00 <dergoegge> I think I mentioned last meeting that I'm writing a blog post series on fuzzamoto
2532026-01-08T16:16:10 <dergoegge> The first part of that is out now: https://brink.dev/blog/2026/01/07/fuzzamoto-introduction/
2542026-01-08T16:16:29 <dergoegge> That's all for this week from my side
2552026-01-08T16:17:13 <furszy> cool stuff
2562026-01-08T16:17:18 <eugenesiegel> nice
2572026-01-08T16:17:28 <glozow> nice
2582026-01-08T16:17:39 <fjahr> Ok, I am skipping Silent Payments because I didn't see Novo__ unless someone wants to add something. I can at least say there is quite a bit of action in secp currently.
2592026-01-08T16:18:05 <furszy> can briefly update the state
2602026-01-08T16:18:31 <furszy> theStack pushed another PR with the new scanning approach: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/1792
2612026-01-08T16:18:43 <furszy> focus is now there
2622026-01-08T16:19:35 <fjahr> Yeah, I think conceptual feedback on the APIs and worst scanning concerns would great from anyone interested in using SP!
2632026-01-08T16:19:51 <fjahr> Thanks everyone for the updates!
2642026-01-08T16:19:54 <fjahr> #topic maintainer nomination (glozow)
2652026-01-08T16:20:07 <glozow> Iâm nominating TheCharlatan aka sedited to be a maintainer. He is a reliable reviewer who has worked extensively in critical areas of the codebase, thinks carefully about what we ship to users and developers, and understands the technical consensus process well.
2662026-01-08T16:20:14 <glozow> Iâve spoken with him and the other maintainers already, and hope that the rest of you agree he is well-suited for the role. Please speak freely with your concerns and/or support.
2672026-01-08T16:20:19 <achow101> ack
2682026-01-08T16:20:27 <dergoegge> ack
2692026-01-08T16:20:32 <marcofleon> ack
2702026-01-08T16:20:33 <hebasto> ack
2712026-01-08T16:20:37 <brunoerg> ack
2722026-01-08T16:20:39 <sliv3r__-> ack
2732026-01-08T16:20:39 <pinheadmz> ack
2742026-01-08T16:20:42 <sipa> ack
2752026-01-08T16:20:43 <instagibbs> ack
2762026-01-08T16:21:00 <l0rinc> ACK
2772026-01-08T16:21:07 <furszy> ack TheCharlatan, I don't know sedited enough yet.
2782026-01-08T16:21:10 <fjahr> ack, but I guess there will be an issue as well like last time?
2792026-01-08T16:21:14 <lightlike> ack
2802026-01-08T16:21:17 <andrewtoth> ack
2812026-01-08T16:21:22 <hodlinator> ack
2822026-01-08T16:21:25 <janb84> ack
2832026-01-08T16:21:30 <yancy> ack
2842026-01-08T16:21:32 <stickies-v> ack
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2862026-01-08T16:21:40 <glozow> The next step would be for him to open a PR to add his key to trusted-keys
2872026-01-08T16:21:42 <darosior> Ack. To add to that i agree especially with the part of him having a project-wide view and his care for what we ship to users.
2882026-01-08T16:22:31 <maxedw> ack
2892026-01-08T16:23:15 <glozow> sedited: do you want to add anything? :)
2902026-01-08T16:23:20 <sedited> ty, fjahr do you have that issue number?
2912026-01-08T16:23:37 <abubakarsadiq> ACK
2922026-01-08T16:24:00 <fjahr> no, I meant that I think we opened an issue for discussion last time if I remember correctly and I asked if this is happening again.
2932026-01-08T16:24:07 <fjahr> But maybe that was also the PR already
2942026-01-08T16:24:16 <glozow> I don't think we did an issue, just a PR
2952026-01-08T16:24:19 <achow101> just the pr
2962026-01-08T16:24:20 <darosior> Maybe you are referring to the thread of the PR where the last person added their key?
2972026-01-08T16:25:22 <fjahr> It's not so relevant, I need to go back and look at it
2982026-01-08T16:25:43 <fjahr> It's been a while
2992026-01-08T16:26:35 <fjahr> Anything else to add on this topic?
3002026-01-08T16:26:42 <maflcko> ack, sedited seems a great fit for the role
3012026-01-08T16:26:54 <glozow> I think that's it. The rest can be on the PR
3022026-01-08T16:27:13 <fjahr> #topic incremental mutation testing (brunoerg)
3032026-01-08T16:27:20 <brunoerg> Hi, I've been doing incremental mutation testing (basically mutaiton testing on PRs) for a month or more. I wrote a summary on delving about the results I had so far: https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/incremental-mutation-testing-in-the-bitcoin-core/2197
3042026-01-08T16:27:31 <brunoerg> Right now, I'm working on making the analysis more efficient, so your feedback is important. There is a section "Final notes" with some actions so I'd appreciate some feedback on that points.
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3062026-01-08T16:27:43 <brunoerg> Also, if you want a mutation testing run on any PR, please ping me in the PR.
3072026-01-08T16:28:01 <kevkevin> ack
3082026-01-08T16:28:03 <brunoerg> That's all
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3102026-01-08T16:29:01 <fjahr> Anything else to discuss?
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3122026-01-08T16:29:05 <abubakarsadiq> #proposedmeetingtopic fee estimation improvement
3132026-01-08T16:29:05 <corebot> abubakarsadiq: Unknown command: #proposedmeetingtopic
3142026-01-08T16:29:17 <cfields> walked away for a few min. ACK sedited :)
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3162026-01-08T16:29:50 <fjahr> #topic fee estimation improvement
3172026-01-08T16:29:57 <fjahr> go ahead :)
3182026-01-08T16:30:13 <abubakarsadiq> I opened a #34075, which attempts to fix the ancient #27995 issue with a mempool-based fee estimator that only lowers the Block Policy Estimator.
3192026-01-08T16:30:13 <abubakarsadiq> Empirically, I observed a 73% success rate with 0% overestimation, and 26% underestimation with this approach. I did some refactors to enable these. See PR op for more details.
3202026-01-08T16:30:13 <abubakarsadiq> Bringing this here to request feedback on the approach and the assumption there.
3212026-01-08T16:30:15 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34075 | fees: Introduce Mempool Based Fee Estimation to reduce overestimation by ismaelsadeeq · Pull Request #34075 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3222026-01-08T16:30:16 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/27995 | Improving fee estimation accuracy · Issue #27995 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3232026-01-08T16:30:49 <abubakarsadiq> thats it, thanks :)
3242026-01-08T16:31:16 <sipa> How do you define overestimation/underestimation here?
3252026-01-08T16:33:00 <abubakarsadiq> overestimation is when you estimate a feerate for target x as y.
3262026-01-08T16:33:00 <abubakarsadiq> but all the blocks since from current height to current height + x the estimated fee rate is above their 95th percentile fee rate
3272026-01-08T16:33:24 <abubakarsadiq> that imply that you overshoot
3282026-01-08T16:34:00 <abubakarsadiq> underestimation is when y is below the 5th percentile fee rate of all blocks from current height to current height + x
3292026-01-08T16:34:14 <sipa> got it
3302026-01-08T16:34:16 <sipa> cool
3312026-01-08T16:35:05 <l0rinc> #topic (ATT)ACKs
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3332026-01-08T16:35:46 <l0rinc> please let me know when the previous topic is finished
3342026-01-08T16:36:04 <fjahr> I guess it is now ;)
3352026-01-08T16:36:07 <l0rinc> I would also like your feedback on a different topic, since we saw fake ACKs being spread around - we could adjust the DrahtBot ACK summary with avatars and maybe italics for members to avoid impersonations. And while we're touching this, ryanofsky suggested we add links to all acks, not just the last one. Your feedback is welcome in https://github.com/maflcko/DrahtBot/pull/72
3362026-01-08T16:36:07 <abubakarsadiq> yes go ahead
3372026-01-08T16:36:46 <l0rinc> that's it, thanks
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3392026-01-08T16:36:56 <achow101> i don't like it, too much visual clutter
3402026-01-08T16:37:08 <achow101> usernames is fine for me
3412026-01-08T16:37:17 <abubakarsadiq> I think this is relevant to maintenance and how they weigh ACK, i doubt if avatar would improve their process
3422026-01-08T16:37:40 <instagibbs> right, I think maintainers should speak up if anything can make their job easier
3432026-01-08T16:37:54 <l0rinc> it would look something like: https://gist.github.com/l0rinc/6e92f6ac500a7ab9cc91d0b19a009392
3442026-01-08T16:37:59 <sipa> yeah, this seems to be something that mostly needs maintainer opinions
3452026-01-08T16:37:59 <fanquake> ~0 leaning the same way. I don't think avatars add anything (~20% of contribs use the GH default anyways), and org membership doesn't really matter?
3462026-01-08T16:38:01 <kevkevin> can you instead sort them by when the account was first made?
3472026-01-08T16:38:16 <kevkevin> not sure if there is any sorting done right now
3482026-01-08T16:38:29 <sliv3r__> or sort by members, contributors, etc.
3492026-01-08T16:38:50 <brunoerg> I don't like it as well, kinda polluted
3502026-01-08T16:38:54 <pinheadmz> have there been ACK from actual homograph users? (like "s1pa" or soemthing)
3512026-01-08T16:39:05 <glozow> avatars are copiable too
3522026-01-08T16:39:31 <l0rinc> yes, of course, that's why members would be shown in italics
3532026-01-08T16:39:38 <sipa> pinheadmz: on twitter, yes...
3542026-01-08T16:39:43 <achow101> pinheadmz: i don't think we've had any yet
3552026-01-08T16:39:44 <sipa> ah, ACKs, no
3562026-01-08T16:40:37 <l0rinc> The new maintainer could do the funniest thing: TheCharltan -> sedited -> s1pa
3572026-01-08T16:40:47 <_aj_> for PRs with a large number of acks, could consider breaking out the members/non-members into separate tables, as well as the bold distinction. the avatars don't seem that useful to me. links to prior acks would be handy sometimes though
3582026-01-08T16:41:04 <ryanofsky> if impersonation is a problem i think we should find a way to remove impersoniated nicks from the table, not just display them differently
3592026-01-08T16:41:26 <glozow> I don't think we are tricked so easily. The most harm these ack tables do is on social media. Any chance github allows comments that are only viewable by members?
3602026-01-08T16:41:28 <sipa> i don't think impersonation is a problem - and it's something that can be dealt with if it ever becomes one
3612026-01-08T16:41:34 <fanquake> We seem to have started with the assumption that this is actually a common issue. It isn't for 99.99% of PRs, and on the occasional PR it could be, I'm sure maintainers would be paying more attention. (the drahtbot comment sholdn't be a subsittute for checking anything)
3622026-01-08T16:41:37 <pinheadmz> could add # of commits to repo after each username
3632026-01-08T16:41:57 <_aj_> (marcofleon and maflcko have the homograph approach covered already as far as i'm concerned)
3642026-01-08T16:42:00 <instagibbs> recently I've seen some "farming" but it you just weight those acks at ~0 unless proven competence otherwise
3652026-01-08T16:42:19 <l0rinc> ok, thanks for the feedbacks
3662026-01-08T16:42:24 <achow101> i think the table is fine as-is
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3682026-01-08T16:42:41 <achow101> low effort accounts and new contributors are already being filtered out in people's heads
3692026-01-08T16:42:57 <pinheadmz> I had a draht bot PR that hid the table if the PR was labeled "controversial" but it was nacked and closed
3702026-01-08T16:44:22 <maflcko> _aj_: pinheadmz: I think there were some attempts to deal with "controversial"/"verbose" pulls, but I think it went nowhere conclusive. Also, it only happens every year or two, so an automatated approach for a rare anomaly seems overkill
3712026-01-08T16:44:37 <fjahr> ok, any more last minute topics?
3722026-01-08T16:45:05 <furszy> happy to answer questions related to the recent bug via DM if needed.
3732026-01-08T16:45:15 <achow101> same
3742026-01-08T16:45:30 <pinheadmz> _aj_ I sign my ACKs too! Isn't everyone... verifying... those ?
3752026-01-08T16:46:15 <fjahr> #endmeeting
3762026-01-08T16:46:16 <corebot> fjahr: Meeting ended at 2026-01-08T16:46+0000
3772026-01-08T16:46:17 <corebot> fjahr: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-01-08_16_00.log.json
3782026-01-08T16:46:18 <corebot> fjahr: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-01-08_16_00.log.html
3792026-01-08T16:46:19 <corebot> fjahr: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-01-08_16_00.html
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3812026-01-08T16:46:37 <maflcko> pinheadmz: https://xkcd.com/1181/
3822026-01-08T16:47:05 <darosior> lol
3832026-01-08T16:47:18 <_aj_> pinheadmz: (i mean that i often think they're the same person, a la sipa/s1pa)
3842026-01-08T16:48:04 <maflcko> _aj_: Same. Sometimes I have to read a comment twice, and I am confused when I wrote that, but then it was some other Marco. heh
3852026-01-08T16:48:40 <fjahr> Re maintainer issue: I think my memory conflated PR discussions and issues such as #25870, there were a handful of these in 2022
3862026-01-08T16:48:42 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/25870 | Call for Maintainer: P2P & Networking · Issue #25870 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3892026-01-08T16:54:19 <dzxzg> post-meeting-sedited-nomination-ACK
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4032026-01-08T17:28:16 <fanquake> v30.2rc1 bins are up: https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-30.2/test.rc1/
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4092026-01-08T17:51:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8d5700ab0f12...6c3fb719d1a8
4102026-01-08T17:51:57 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 301d9ee WakeTrainDev: qt: Remove "Starting Block" from Peer Detail. Following Deprecation in `bi...
4112026-01-08T17:51:57 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6c3fb71 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin-core/gui#921: Remove deprecated "Starting Block" from Peer D...
4122026-01-08T17:51:58 <bitcoin-git> [gui] hebasto merged pull request #921: Remove deprecated "Starting Block" from Peer Detail (master...pr/qt_remove_startingheight) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/921
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4382026-01-08T19:12:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sedited opened pull request #34236: Add sedited to trusted-keys (master...add_to_trusted_keys) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34236
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4592026-01-08T20:36:31 <willcl-ark> ryanofsky: I see your trusted-keys gpg key as expired since 2026-01-01, so you may want to consider extending that soon. Apologies if you have done already and I've missed it; I only refreshed from keys.openpgp.org.
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4632026-01-08T21:04:59 <ryanofsky> willcl-ark, thanks will fix
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