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392026-01-15T05:25:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #33335: txgraph: randomize order of same-feerate distinct-cluster transactions (master...202509_txgraph_rand) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33335
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502026-01-15T07:31:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #34296: refactor: [move-only] Merge core_io module, remove from libkernel (master...2601-core_io) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34296
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562026-01-15T08:26:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] frankomosh opened pull request #34297: p2p: add validation checks for initial self-announcement (master...p2p-self-announcement) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34297
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592026-01-15T08:52:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #34298: ci: Add and use ci/test/modernize-deprecated-headers.py (master...2601-iwyu-modernize-deprecated-headers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34298
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622026-01-15T09:06:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] stratospher opened pull request #34299: wallet: re-activate "AmountWithFeeExceedsBalance" error (master...2025_12_fix_amountwithfeeexceedsbalance) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34299
632026-01-15T09:33:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vasild opened pull request #34300: test: use ephemeral ports in p2p_private_broadcast.py (master...auto_ports_in_p2p_private_broadcast) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34300
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712026-01-15T10:07:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9d2b8fddad46...baa554f7089d
722026-01-15T10:07:35 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master da56ef2 Pieter Wuille: clusterlin: minimize chunks (feature)
732026-01-15T10:07:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master baa554f merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#34259: Find minimal chunks in SFL
742026-01-15T10:07:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #34259: Find minimal chunks in SFL (master...202601_sfl_minimize) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34259
752026-01-15T10:11:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] rkrux opened pull request #34301: wallet: remove unimplemented `RewriteDB` calls from SPKM (master...rewritedb) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34301
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772026-01-15T10:23:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 11 commits to 29.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6e7ea3cf2aee...fa91ad3420a2
782026-01-15T10:23:17 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x 2e46886 ismaelsadeeq: miner: fix `addPackageTxs` unsigned integer overflow
792026-01-15T10:23:18 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x 7a71850 SatsAndSports: Remove unreliable seed from chainparams.cpp, and the associated README
802026-01-15T10:23:18 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/29.x daef585 Hennadii Stepanov: guix: Fix `osslsigncode` tests
812026-01-15T10:23:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #34268: [29.x] backports + final changes for 29.3 (29.x...2026-01-29.3-backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34268
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862026-01-15T10:52:36 <fanquake> "IMO it might have been better to wait until the review is addressed and have someone more familiar with address relay look over it." If you fit that description, can you take a look at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34146#issuecomment-3753278463
872026-01-15T10:52:46 <fanquake> and probably #34297
882026-01-15T10:52:47 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34297 | p2p: add validation checks for initial self-announcement by frankomosh · Pull Request #34297 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
892026-01-15T11:08:41 <lightlike> will have a look
902026-01-15T11:09:24 <fanquake> lightlike: thanks
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952026-01-15T11:46:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #34302: fuzz: Restore SendMessages coverage in process_message(s) fuzz targets (master...2601-fuzz-restore-coverage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34302
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982026-01-15T12:07:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brunoerg opened pull request #34303: test: addrman: test self-announcement time penalty handling (master...2026-01-test-addrman-selfannoucement) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34303
992026-01-15T12:14:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc opened pull request #34304: ci: bump `Valgrind fuzz` timeout to pass with GHA (master...l0rinc/gha-valgrind-timeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34304
1002026-01-15T12:26:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #34305: log: correct size output in disk space check (master...fix_space_warning_log) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34305
1012026-01-15T12:43:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc closed pull request #34304: ci: bump `Valgrind fuzz` timeout to pass with GHA (master...l0rinc/gha-valgrind-timeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34304
1022026-01-15T12:44:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc reopened pull request #34304: ci: bump `Valgrind fuzz` timeout to pass with GHA (master...l0rinc/gha-valgrind-timeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34304
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1092026-01-15T13:38:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] AmberMarie4444 opened pull request #34306: Test (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34306
1102026-01-15T13:38:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #34306: Test (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34306
1112026-01-15T13:42:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc closed pull request #34304: ci: remove `Valgrind fuzz` from CI matrix (master...l0rinc/gha-valgrind-timeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34304
1122026-01-15T13:42:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] AmberMarie4444 opened pull request #34307: Add initial devcontainer configuration (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34307
1132026-01-15T13:42:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #34307: Add initial devcontainer configuration (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34307
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1172026-01-15T13:55:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/baa554f7089d...d08c1b3ed934
1182026-01-15T13:55:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa90786 MarcoFalke: iwyu: Fix includes for test/fuzz/util/descriptor module
1192026-01-15T13:55:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fac70ea MarcoFalke: fuzz: Exclude too expensive inputs in miniscript_string target
1202026-01-15T13:55:36 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d08c1b3 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#34288: fuzz: Exclude too expensive inputs in miniscr...
1212026-01-15T13:55:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #34288: fuzz: Exclude too expensive inputs in miniscript_string target (master...2601-fuzz-ms-str) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34288
1222026-01-15T14:17:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d08c1b3ed934...37cb2092777e
1232026-01-15T14:17:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4c7cfd3 Greg Sanders: wallet: remove erroneous-on-reorg Assume()
1242026-01-15T14:17:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d09a19f Greg Sanders: test: add coverage for issue 34206
1252026-01-15T14:17:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 37cb209 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#34238: wallet: remove erroneous-on-reorg Assume()
1262026-01-15T14:17:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #34238: wallet: remove erroneous-on-reorg Assume() (master...2026-01-trucness_reorg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34238
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1292026-01-15T14:29:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/37cb2092777e...697bc7f6a2dc
1302026-01-15T14:29:23 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3e34067 w0xlt: test: use ephemeral ports in p2p_private_broadcast.py
1312026-01-15T14:29:23 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 697bc7f merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#34300: test: use ephemeral ports in p2p_private_broa...
1322026-01-15T14:29:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #34300: test: use ephemeral ports in p2p_private_broadcast.py (master...auto_ports_in_p2p_private_broadcast) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34300
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1352026-01-15T14:46:03 <l0rinc> #proposedmeetingtopic Constant build failures on forked repos since introduction of `Valgrind fuzz` CI job
1362026-01-15T14:47:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #34308: doc: Document IWYU workaround (master...260115-doc-iwyu) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34308
1372026-01-15T14:52:06 <fanquake> l0rinc: it would be good to know more about your expectations here. Should the CI pass when run somewhere that doesn't have the hardware to run it?
1382026-01-15T14:52:18 <fanquake> If we added 10x the CPU to the main repo tomorrow, and expanded the number of tasks, and added heavier tasks, then more things would also fail in forks, without the extra hardware.
1392026-01-15T14:52:34 <fanquake> I don't really see how to avoid that, without unnecessarily containing the main repo (based on some vague/possibly changing external requirements), or providing every contributor with the same hardware.
1402026-01-15T14:52:50 <fanquake> (and I think we should be trying to expand the CI in the main repo, and add more jobs).
1412026-01-15T14:54:37 <fanquake> I think we should be running as many tests, as fast as possible, and tuning timeouts/expectations around that. Not optimising for what might be happening outside the repo.
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1462026-01-15T15:12:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/697bc7f6a2dc...0ffb20dee178
1472026-01-15T15:12:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 979d41b Hennadii Stepanov: qa: Fix Windows logging bug
1482026-01-15T15:12:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0ffb20d merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#34282: qa: Fix Windows logging bug
1492026-01-15T15:12:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #34282: qa: Fix Windows logging bug (master...260114-win-skip-reason) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34282
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1552026-01-15T15:58:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #34309: guix: stop passing depends sources to codesigning (master...codesigning_no_source) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34309
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1582026-01-15T16:00:04 <fjahr> #startmeeting
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1642026-01-15T16:00:11 <stickies-v> hi
1652026-01-15T16:00:13 <hodlinator> hi
1662026-01-15T16:00:14 <dergoegge> hi
1672026-01-15T16:00:14 <pinheadmz> yo
1682026-01-15T16:00:15 <fjahr> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dzxzg eugenesiegel fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto hodlinator instagibbs janb84 jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure kevkevin laanwj LarryRuane lightlike l0rinc luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sliv3r__ sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild
1692026-01-15T16:00:15 <fjahr> willcl-ark
1702026-01-15T16:00:16 <marcofleon> hi
1712026-01-15T16:00:16 <hebasto> hi
1722026-01-15T16:00:17 <Novo> HI
1732026-01-15T16:00:20 <cfields> hi
1742026-01-15T16:00:22 <andrewtoth> hi
1752026-01-15T16:00:24 <sedited> hi
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1792026-01-15T16:00:42 <lightlike> Hi
1802026-01-15T16:00:42 <fjahr> Seems like there is one proposed meeting topic from l0rinc but it wasn't recorded so far: https://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/proposedmeetingtopics.txt Let me know if I missed any earlier ones!
1812026-01-15T16:00:45 <yuvicc> hi
1822026-01-15T16:00:51 <l0rinc> hi
1832026-01-15T16:00:59 <janb84> hi
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1852026-01-15T16:01:08 <kanzure> hi
1862026-01-15T16:01:09 <enochazariah3> hi
1872026-01-15T16:01:21 <fjahr> And if there are any last minute ones to add of course...
1882026-01-15T16:01:29 <willcl-ark> hi
1892026-01-15T16:01:34 <furszy> hi
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1912026-01-15T16:01:51 <fjahr> Starting with the WGs!
1922026-01-15T16:01:53 <fjahr> #topic Fuzzing WG Update (dergoegge)
1932026-01-15T16:02:10 <dergoegge> Eugene has been working on incremental snapshot support for fuzzamoto (https://github.com/dergoegge/fuzzamoto/pull/103). This will hopefully, in the long run, enable the fuzzer to explore even deeper into the state space.
1942026-01-15T16:02:11 <dergoegge> I've open sourced the continuous fuzzing infra I've been running for the past years: https://github.com/dergoegge/fuzzor (there are no docs, but let marcofleon or me know if you want to run this as well)
1952026-01-15T16:02:11 <dergoegge> We've found a bunch of bugs using antithesis (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20author%3Adergoegge%20antithesis) (it's only been a week, i'll have more to say on this later/next coredev but lmk if there are questions).
1962026-01-15T16:02:49 <hodlinator> cool
1972026-01-15T16:02:59 <dergoegge> (that's all)
1982026-01-15T16:03:33 <fjahr> #topic Kernel WG Update (sedited)
1992026-01-15T16:03:37 <sedited> i'm on mobile, maybe stickies-v has something to add?
2002026-01-15T16:04:12 <stickies-v> let's keep it for next week
2012026-01-15T16:04:13 <yancy> hi
2022026-01-15T16:04:19 <fjahr> #topic Benchmarking WG Update (l0rinc, andrewtoth)
2032026-01-15T16:04:23 <l0rinc> nothing from my side
2042026-01-15T16:04:40 <andrewtoth> same, no updates this week
2052026-01-15T16:04:44 <fjahr> #topic Silent Payments WG Update (Novo)
2062026-01-15T16:04:53 <Novo> I've been doing some experiments to improve worst case scan
2072026-01-15T16:04:56 <darosior> hi
2082026-01-15T16:05:15 <Novo> With randomization of the outputs and removal, we can half scan time
2092026-01-15T16:05:34 <Novo> By removal, I mean removal of found outputs from the list
2102026-01-15T16:05:52 <Novo> Of course the scan time is still significant, 4 minutes on my machine
2112026-01-15T16:06:03 <furszy> which scanning approach are you using?
2122026-01-15T16:06:10 <Novo> BIP style
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2142026-01-15T16:06:26 <Novo> I'm also working benchmarking LabelSet scanning with Block
2152026-01-15T16:06:30 <Novo> *Blocks
2162026-01-15T16:06:41 <instagibbs> 4 minutes over what data?
2172026-01-15T16:06:43 <furszy> cool. It would be nice to know what's the diff there
2182026-01-15T16:06:48 <Novo> I'm implementing LabelSet on core to use for testing
2192026-01-15T16:06:59 <furszy> instagibbs: I assume an entire block targeting a single entity
2202026-01-15T16:07:11 <Novo> 4 minutes on the secp worst-case benchmark with 23250 outputs
2212026-01-15T16:07:58 <instagibbs> ah
2222026-01-15T16:08:15 <l0rinc> how long does it take to scan every single block to find a single transaction at the very end?
2232026-01-15T16:08:23 <furszy> let us know how it goes Novo. We should have updates on the libsecp side soon as well.
2242026-01-15T16:08:35 <Murch[m]> hi
2252026-01-15T16:08:38 <fjahr> Novo: Having a benchmark in secp that simulates a block seems easier to me than implementing LabelSet in core but I guess you considered that
2262026-01-15T16:09:30 <Novo> @l0rinc a single transaction at the end doesn't usually influence scanning time. The time it takes to scan txs without payments will be normal
2272026-01-15T16:09:56 <l0rinc> no, I mean just as a benchmark, how long would it take to scan every block
2282026-01-15T16:10:12 <Novo> fjahr I want to test with mainnet and maybe create some special blocks on regtest with script
2292026-01-15T16:11:03 <Novo> l0rinc I don't have an exact number for you. I can share that later
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2332026-01-15T16:11:26 <l0rinc> I was just interested in the magnitude. 20 minutes, 20 hours...
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2352026-01-15T16:11:46 <Novo> l0rinc more like milliseconds
2362026-01-15T16:12:15 <abubakarsadiq> hi
2372026-01-15T16:12:16 <l0rinc> we can read every transaction that quickly - let's discuss it offline
2382026-01-15T16:12:19 <Murch[m]> milliseconds for every block, or do you mean a single block?
2392026-01-15T16:12:21 <l0rinc> *can't
2402026-01-15T16:12:28 <Novo> Alright l0rinc
2412026-01-15T16:12:34 <fjahr> #topic Net Split WG Update (cfields)
2422026-01-15T16:12:48 <Novo> Murch[m] I meant per block
2432026-01-15T16:13:09 <cfields> No net split update this week. But I did manage to track down and work around the gcc bug slowing down the chacha20 impl that l0rinc mentioned here last week: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107563#c13
2442026-01-15T16:13:20 <cfields> For anyone wondering why I'm spending _so_ much time on chacha20, it's because I'm hoping to prove that writing generic vectorized code like this is a reasonable way forward for us for our low-level bottlenecks. If so, we could be more liberal with adding simd code as it's easier to review than bare asm.
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2462026-01-15T16:13:45 <l0rinc> :+1:
2472026-01-15T16:14:14 <fjahr> (not seeing the cluster people, feel free to speak up if there is something to share otherwise moving on in a few sec)
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2502026-01-15T16:14:37 <fjahr> #topic Constant build failures on forked repos since introduction of `Valgrind fuzz` CI job (l0rinc)
2512026-01-15T16:14:45 <l0rinc> The Valgrind fuzz job was introduced in e4b04630bcf59ea03c1373777a0167af699f92a4. Since then, ci/test/00_setup_env_native_fuzz_with_valgrind.sh seems to regularly time out on forked repositories (which fall back to GitHub-hosted runners), hitting the 240 minute job timeout, see: l0rinc/bitcoin/actions/runs/21003573850/job/60381011678
2522026-01-15T16:14:52 <l0rinc> I first tried bumping the timeout to the GitHub Actions maximum, since the run took 4h 36m 50s.
2532026-01-15T16:14:57 <l0rinc> maflcko suggested that we rather remove it from the CI matrix since it didn't reveal anything (similarly to how the valgrind no-fuzz task is handled) - which was rejected by others, see: #34304
2542026-01-15T16:14:59 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34304 | ci: remove `Valgrind fuzz` from CI matrix by l0rinc · Pull Request #34304 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2552026-01-15T16:15:02 <l0rinc> Being able to run CI on forked repositories was working before #33461, it's useful to have a playground available to validate CI passing before we push to bitcoin/bitcoin - to avoid people pushing to bitcoin/bitcoin and experimenting there.
2562026-01-15T16:15:06 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33461 | ci: add Valgrind fuzz by fanquake · Pull Request #33461 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2572026-01-15T16:15:09 <l0rinc> It's fine if certain heavy tasks are skipped on GitHub-hosted runners, but we shouldn't get used to red CI on forks, and we should make sure bitcoin/bitcoin isn't the only green build.
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2592026-01-15T16:16:07 <fanquake> I posted my thoughts above, before the meeting, but can copy them back here
2602026-01-15T16:16:15 <fanquake> It would be good to know more about your expectations here. Should the CI pass when run somewhere that doesn't have the hardware to run it?
2612026-01-15T16:16:19 <fanquake> If we added 10x the CPU to the main repo tomorrow, and expanded the number of tasks, and added heavier tasks, then more things would also fail in forks, without the extra hardware.
2622026-01-15T16:16:34 <fanquake> I don't really see how to avoid that, without unnecessarily constraining the main repo (based on some vague/possibly changing external requirements), or providing every contributor with the same hardware.
2632026-01-15T16:16:41 <ryanofsky> could it be fixed by having the job respect some RUN_SLOW_CHECKS variable that is only set in the main repo?
2642026-01-15T16:16:53 <fanquake> (rember than GH CI in forks only works because GH gives away CPU for free, for now)
2652026-01-15T16:17:03 <fanquake> I think we should be running as many tests, as fast as possible, and tuning timeouts/expectations around that. Not optimising for what might be happening outside the repo.
2662026-01-15T16:17:23 <l0rinc> yes, that was an alternative that willcl-ark also suggested
2672026-01-15T16:17:49 <sipa> hi
2682026-01-15T16:18:05 <darosior> fanquake: +1. It seems the fact that CI can run in forked repos is just a byproduct of our CI configuration still being quite light compared to the size/importance of the project.
2692026-01-15T16:18:10 <l0rinc> thus isn't an optimization, I just want to restore the build passing outside of bitcoin/bitcoin
2702026-01-15T16:18:16 <fanquake> If someone wants to run the CI on a raspberry Pi, when shouldn't be optimising for that
2712026-01-15T16:18:21 <fanquake> *we
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2772026-01-15T16:20:29 <fjahr> Investigating some RUN_SLOW_CHECKS variable seems like the best option, I can totally see that GH changes their policies in the future and this option goes away
2782026-01-15T16:21:13 <fjahr> Seems like there is nothing to add to the conversation for now. sipa: Did you want to say something about cluster mempool?
2792026-01-15T16:21:22 <sipa> cluster mempool update: #34259 got merged; i've marked #34257 as next to review. Since it's more than an implementation, I'm curious about more conceptual opinions on the matter too.
2802026-01-15T16:21:25 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34259 | Find minimal chunks in SFL by sipa · Pull Request #34259 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2812026-01-15T16:21:26 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34257 | txgraph: deterministic optimal transaction order by sipa · Pull Request #34257 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2822026-01-15T16:22:17 <sipa> (and thanks for the review, we're in the home stretch)
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2842026-01-15T16:22:44 <fjahr> Thanks for the updates everyone! Anything else to discuss?
2852026-01-15T16:23:10 <furszy> just a small add to the SP convo
2862026-01-15T16:23:19 <furszy> Novo: l0rinc was asking for entire chain scanning. Just to add an answer for it: for now, the focus has been on adversarial scenarios (at least on libsecp), mostly the worst case for a single block. Outcomes of this obviously improve the overall scanning time as well, but the happy path has not been part of this first "let's do not introduce a DoS vector" step.
2872026-01-15T16:23:24 <furszy> that's it.
2882026-01-15T16:24:04 <l0rinc> thanks for clarifying furszy
2892026-01-15T16:24:26 <fjahr> #endmeeting
2902026-01-15T16:24:27 <corebot> fjahr: Meeting ended at 2026-01-15T16:24+0000
2912026-01-15T16:24:28 <corebot> fjahr: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-01-15_16_00.log.json
2922026-01-15T16:24:29 <corebot> fjahr: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-01-15_16_00.log.html
2932026-01-15T16:24:30 <corebot> fjahr: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-01-15_16_00.html
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3032026-01-15T16:42:57 <darosior> sipa: the discussion in #33335 is convincing that a deterministic tie breaker is preferable. But i find it quite unintuitive that between two equal-feerate transactions you would choose to pick the one that pays a miner less. Miners optimize for maximum fees, which often (though not always) means maximizing feerate first, but also just absolute
3042026-01-15T16:42:57 <darosior> fees? Now i understand miners optimize for what actually ends up paying them, which is what they can actually pack in a template, and that sometimes smaller transactions can lead to higher-paying templates, but is that the common case?
3052026-01-15T16:43:00 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33335 | txgraph: randomize order of same-feerate distinct-cluster transactions by sipa · Pull Request #33335 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3092026-01-15T16:54:28 <sipa> darosior: it's important to note that this is just choosing the order of chunks within a group of equal-feerate ones - and that group has fixed size, and fixed total fee
3102026-01-15T16:56:17 <sipa> so it's just a question of where to put the boundaries between chunks in it, and it's really the distance between where the block boundary falls and the last chunk boundary before it that matters
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3152026-01-15T17:03:27 <darosior> And more often than not you'd want to have the smaller transaction first because the larger (higher-fee) one would not fit and therefore if you didn't order this way you'd give up both their fees?
3162026-01-15T17:03:35 * darosior spells out loud to make sure he understands
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3192026-01-15T17:24:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #34310: iwyu: Add missed line to IWYU patch (master...260115-iwyu-patch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34310
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3222026-01-15T17:30:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] b-l-u-e opened pull request #34311: test: add unit tests for wallet interface getter basic method (master...test-wallet-interfaces-getter-coverage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34311
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3302026-01-15T18:14:51 <sipa> darosior: no, i don't think it matters either way - the only reason to prefer smaller is because people deliberately grinding for smaller size feels "not really bad"
3312026-01-15T18:15:02 <sipa> we just can't predict where the boundaries will fall
3322026-01-15T18:15:51 <sipa> maybe in a world where there is a permanent transaction backlog, and many transactions that just never get mined, smaller first is actually better because you can have clusters whose ends never make it
3332026-01-15T18:16:23 <sipa> but i don't think this is an important point... the real "quality" aspect is covered by picking higher feerate first, and splitting up chunks in minimal parts
3342026-01-15T18:16:32 <sipa> the rest is just convention to get determinism
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3392026-01-15T18:41:54 <darosior> On the other hand choosing on the contrary the highest-fee-paying one may directly solve the "grinding" since it would mean just paying for more block space which someone can already do if they want to. But yeah it's probably never going to matter either way.
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3422026-01-15T18:45:46 <sipa> yeah, fair point - i can see an argument for largest size first too
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3462026-01-15T19:04:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] benediktjohannes opened pull request #34313: Update bitcoin_de.ts (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34313
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3482026-01-15T19:06:59 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #34313: Update bitcoin_de.ts (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34313
3492026-01-15T19:15:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] yashbhutwala closed pull request #34286: test: verify node state after restart in assumeutxo (master...test-wallet-assumeutxo-restart-state) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34286
3502026-01-15T19:15:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] yashbhutwala reopened pull request #34286: test: verify node state after restart in assumeutxo (master...test-wallet-assumeutxo-restart-state) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34286
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3802026-01-15T22:11:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr closed pull request #33740: RFC: bench: Add multi thread benchmarking (master...202510-multi-thread-bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33740
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