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852026-06-18T06:11:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f963f2b Pablo Martin: argsman: allow duplicate registration between HIDDEN and other categories
862026-06-18T06:11:15 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3413609 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#35549: argsman: Fix duplicate option assertion to al...
872026-06-18T06:11:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #35549: argsman: Fix duplicate option assertion to allow HIDDEN category registration (master...fix/argsman-hidden-category-assertion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35549
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952026-06-18T06:45:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] davidgumberg opened pull request #35558: Prefill compact blocks (master...2025-11-13-0xB10C-prefill-rebase-binary-limit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35558
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1052026-06-18T07:17:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] HowHsu opened pull request #35559: scripted-diff: Rename SteadyClockContext to FakeSteadyClock (master...fake-steady-clock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35559
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1852026-06-18T13:17:35 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc opened pull request #35562: fuzz: remove unsupported coins cache cursor fuzz probe (master...l0rinc/remove-constant-Cursor-fuzz) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35562
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1922026-06-18T14:14:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/341360964a6f...0e95e1abdb47
1932026-06-18T14:14:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master de92208 Ava Chow: migrate: Handle HD chains that have identical seeds but different IDs
1942026-06-18T14:14:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0e95e1a merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#35437: migrate: Handle HD chains that have identical...
1952026-06-18T14:14:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #35437: migrate: Handle HD chains that have identical seeds but different IDs (master...fix-dup-seeds-migration) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35437
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2172026-06-18T16:00:02 <stickies-v> #startmeeting
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2232026-06-18T16:00:09 <Murch[m]> Hi
2242026-06-18T16:00:10 <janb84> hi
2252026-06-18T16:00:10 <stickies-v> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields danielabrozzoni darosior dergoegge dzxzg eugenesiegel fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto hodlinator instagibbs janb84 jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure kevkevin laanwj LarryRuane lightlike l0rinc luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sedited S3RK stickies-v sipa sliv3r__ sr_gi tdb3 theStack
2262026-06-18T16:00:11 <stickies-v> vasild willcl-ark
2272026-06-18T16:00:12 <sedited> hi
2282026-06-18T16:00:14 <jonatack> hi
2292026-06-18T16:00:15 <brunoerg> hi
2302026-06-18T16:00:16 <cfields> hi
2312026-06-18T16:00:16 <sipa> hi
2322026-06-18T16:00:17 <abubakarsadiq> hi
2332026-06-18T16:00:17 <yuvicc> hi
2342026-06-18T16:00:19 <stringintech> hi
2352026-06-18T16:00:28 <pseudoramdom> hi
2362026-06-18T16:00:30 <eugenesiegel> hi
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2382026-06-18T16:00:41 <stickies-v> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
2392026-06-18T16:00:46 <johnny9dev> hi
2402026-06-18T16:00:48 <furszy> hi
2412026-06-18T16:00:51 <b10c> hi
2422026-06-18T16:00:57 <hodlinator> hi
2432026-06-18T16:01:01 <marcofleon> hi
2442026-06-18T16:01:03 <sipa> #proposedmeetingtopic LevelDB block cache
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2462026-06-18T16:01:09 <dergoegge> hi
2472026-06-18T16:01:15 <pinheadmz> Yo
2482026-06-18T16:01:18 <stickies-v> #topic Fuzzing WG Update (dergoegge, marcofleon )
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2502026-06-18T16:01:54 <marcofleon> update next week
2512026-06-18T16:01:57 <dergoegge> huge
2522026-06-18T16:02:00 <stickies-v> tm
2532026-06-18T16:02:14 <stickies-v> #topic Kernel WG Update (sedited)
2542026-06-18T16:02:24 <andrewtoth> hi
2552026-06-18T16:03:03 <sedited> pupleKarrot has been blogging on a serialization refactor: https://purplekarrot.net/blog/serialization.html
2562026-06-18T16:03:37 <kanzure> hi
2572026-06-18T16:03:49 <sedited> in general wanted to highlight his blog which has some other thoughts posted on the library's direction: https://purplekarrot.net/
2582026-06-18T16:03:49 <sipa> sedited: cool will read
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2612026-06-18T16:04:16 <sedited> that's all
2622026-06-18T16:04:30 <willcl-ark> hi
2632026-06-18T16:04:39 <stickies-v> #topic Benchmarking WG Update (l0rinc, andrewtoth)
2642026-06-18T16:04:41 <l0rinc> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/1859 ("field: force-inline 5x52 mul and sqr") was merged.
2652026-06-18T16:04:49 <l0rinc> It speeds up script validation by up to 12% and silent payment benchmarks indicate a >7% speedup (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/1765#issuecomment-4730561343)
2662026-06-18T16:04:50 <jonatack> sedited: interesting
2672026-06-18T16:05:17 <sipa> l0rinc: after subtree merge, i assume?
2682026-06-18T16:05:46 <l0rinc> of course, the benchmarks in secp already show the speedups though
2692026-06-18T16:05:51 <l0rinc> #35215 was updated to support 32-byte jumboblock path needed in #35531 - reviews are welcome.
2702026-06-18T16:05:52 <fanquake> sipa: was probably going to pull today / tomorrow
2712026-06-18T16:05:53 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/35215 | coins: use jumboblock SipHash-1-3 for hashing CCoinsMap keys by l0rinc · Pull Request #35215 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2722026-06-18T16:05:55 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/35531 | txindex: use 5-byte siphash keys to optimize disk usage by andrewtoth · Pull Request #35531 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2732026-06-18T16:06:11 <l0rinc> #35465 is feature complete with several ACKs, I'm running a few more checks to see if we can safely recommend it for cherry-picking to older versions as well (see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35331#issuecomment-4727463324)
2742026-06-18T16:06:14 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/35465 | coins: compact chainstate regularly by l0rinc · Pull Request #35465 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2762026-06-18T16:06:29 <l0rinc> that's it from me - andrewtoth?
2772026-06-18T16:06:43 <sipa> i'm in favor of backporting 35465, though waiting for benchmarks seems useful
2782026-06-18T16:06:44 <andrewtoth> thanks for all review on #35295. More review welcome :)
2792026-06-18T16:06:49 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/35295 | validation: fetch block input prevouts in parallel during ConnectBlock by andrewtoth · Pull Request #35295 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2812026-06-18T16:07:01 <andrewtoth> sipa: same
2822026-06-18T16:07:29 <andrewtoth> Talking with 0xb10c, he has been running with seek compaction disabled and sees performance improvements all around
2832026-06-18T16:07:45 <sedited> nice
2842026-06-18T16:07:55 <andrewtoth> lower disk IO, no compactions on CPU in background, and faster block connection
2852026-06-18T16:08:05 <andrewtoth> that's it from me
2862026-06-18T16:08:10 <sipa> l0rinc: i have a patched tree which should force leveldb into one of its 4 table cache regimes based on a macro, would you be interested in benchmarking them?
2872026-06-18T16:08:13 <l0rinc> sweet. I emailed one of the LevelDB maintainers for a review - let's see if he can help us out with a review
2882026-06-18T16:08:16 <Murch[m]> Awesome
2892026-06-18T16:08:32 <l0rinc> of course, I just bought 3 new servers
2902026-06-18T16:08:42 <yancy> hi
2912026-06-18T16:09:03 <sipa> alright, i'll do some minimal testing, and explain what would be useful to look at out of band
2922026-06-18T16:10:01 <stickies-v> #topic QML GUI WG Update (johnny9dev)
2932026-06-18T16:10:15 <johnny9dev> https://github.com/orgs/bitcoin-core/projects/1/views/3 is up to date
2942026-06-18T16:10:40 <johnny9dev> We have 4 PRs in review right now and once those are finished and merged we will be ready to start sharing preview builds
2952026-06-18T16:11:15 <johnny9dev> I think I've decided to sign those builds myself and do our best to have a big warning on them to make it clear of the purpose. That being to get feedback and help address UX issues early
2962026-06-18T16:11:42 <johnny9dev> hebasto and I have also started work on how to construct the "staging" branch that will end up being what we PR
2972026-06-18T16:12:14 <Murch[m]> Excited to see the preview!
2982026-06-18T16:12:26 <johnny9dev> the rough idea for that is to pull the commits from gui-qml on top of bitcoin/bitcoin using filter-branching and ammending the commits with backport-style metadata "Rebased-From" and "Github-Pull"
2992026-06-18T16:13:27 <johnny9dev> we should have more to share on that next week. I hope to be able to have python scripts available to reproduce the staging branch from the gui-qml repo. We want to do what we can to make the review process go smoothly
3002026-06-18T16:14:14 <johnny9dev> the messier part will be the patching of earlier commits to make this buildable throughout. working on some ideas to make that work
3012026-06-18T16:15:04 <Murch[m]> How can people not involved in the GUI code help?
3022026-06-18T16:15:29 <Murch[m]> I assume spinning it up and going through their own usual workflows and noting any feedback would be a start?
3032026-06-18T16:15:44 <johnny9dev> w'll have lots of things to get feedback on very soon with the preview release and our staging branch
3042026-06-18T16:16:16 <sipa> johnny9dev: cool
3052026-06-18T16:16:42 <fanquake> Is the idea that the staging branch has already been reviewed, and is just being merged, or is it going to be split up and re-reviewed?
3062026-06-18T16:17:46 <johnny9dev> something in between. the link to what was reviewed should mean alot of the code has already has eyes on it and reviewed but there will be the integration pieces with making this line up with the rest of bitcoin/bitcoin that should get some review on too
3072026-06-18T16:18:09 <johnny9dev> things like the python scripts for gui testing, the cmake files, and the build config flags
3082026-06-18T16:18:26 <johnny9dev> guix buids and new depends
3092026-06-18T16:18:40 <fanquake> Just wondering, because if stuff is being re-reviewed anyways, don't think you need all the metadata pointing to other commits, that haven't been merged/might not have been reviewed anyways
3102026-06-18T16:21:07 <johnny9dev> every commit has had a review other than the scaffolding to get it to align with bitcoin/bitcoin's cmake and depends
3112026-06-18T16:21:45 <johnny9dev> im confused by what you mean about re-review. i dont think it will be necessary to re-review most of the historical commits of the project
3122026-06-18T16:22:11 <johnny9dev> and the links to the old PR reviews will be there so it can be understood how the application was built up
3132026-06-18T16:24:04 <johnny9dev> the goal being to limit what exactly needs to be reviewed in the PR
3142026-06-18T16:24:12 <fanquake> I'm not sure. I don't what the review quality has been on the qml repo. So I don't know if something has been "reviewed" and should just be merged into bitcoin/bitcoin if it has 1 ACK from a contributor I've never heard of, in a different repo. Not a blocker now anyways, will see what you come up with
3152026-06-18T16:24:57 <johnny9dev> yes ill try to have more clarity and an example next week
3162026-06-18T16:25:13 <stickies-v> #topic LevelDB block cache (sipa)
3172026-06-18T16:25:52 <sipa> I spent some time trying to dig into all the ways the different LevelDB resource limits (open files, file descriptors, mmap regions) interact (see https://github.com/bitcoin-core/leveldb-subtree/pull/63#issuecomment-4735688019), and discovered something surprising: in our typical builds, the block cache is entire unused.
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3192026-06-18T16:26:53 <sipa> It looks like (though can use some more verification) that the cache is only used when either the table files are compressed on-disk (which we disable) or mmap() cannot be used (so, just on 32-bit platforms).
3202026-06-18T16:27:26 <sipa> So maybe the complex cache-distribution logic (eg #34646) can be simplified/dropped in light of that.
3212026-06-18T16:27:30 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34646 | Fix two issues in p2p_private_broadcast.py by vasild · Pull Request #34646 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3222026-06-18T16:27:34 <sipa> ehh
3232026-06-18T16:27:38 <sipa> #34636
3242026-06-18T16:27:42 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34636 | node: allocate index caches proportional to usage patterns by svanstaa · Pull Request #34636 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3252026-06-18T16:27:58 <sipa> That's it, just wanted to give it some attention.
3262026-06-18T16:28:30 <sedited> I saw your comment and have been trying to see if there is any difference in performance, couldn't see one so far (probably should have done that when looking at the pull request :P)
3272026-06-18T16:28:32 <sipa> ("block" here is LevelDB table file blocks, not Bitcoin blocks)
3282026-06-18T16:28:35 <andrewtoth> alternatively we can just transfer the amount reserved for table cache to the memtable?
3292026-06-18T16:28:45 <sipa> andrewtoth: yeah
3302026-06-18T16:29:04 <andrewtoth> (I think l0rinc has been experimenting with that)
3312026-06-18T16:29:19 <sipa> though there are other interactions too, where the max_open_files limit passed to LevelDB may have a substantial impact on memory usage (depending on mmap or not) too, outside of the block cache.
3322026-06-18T16:29:35 <sipa> So we may want to rethink more generally how memory usage is accounted for and distributed.
3332026-06-18T16:30:26 <sedited> is there a table cache knob?
3342026-06-18T16:31:00 <sipa> max_open_files is effectively the knob for how many table files the database memory structure has cached
3352026-06-18T16:31:26 <sipa> and the per-file memory impact depends on whether it's opened through mmap or not, and how big the file is
3362026-06-18T16:32:09 <sipa> which does mean that by increasing the table file size to 32 MiB, we may have inadvertently also increased base memory usage (though, probably not much, because it's only set high on mmap-capable platforms where the impact isn't large)
3372026-06-18T16:32:43 <andrewtoth> sedited: there are knobs in GetOptions in dbwrapper.cpp
3382026-06-18T16:33:21 <andrewtoth> I think block_cache is useless, is what sipa is saying, and write_buffer_size can take more of that memory?
3392026-06-18T16:33:22 <sedited> yes, just wasn't caught up on the mechanics that sipa just described.
3402026-06-18T16:33:38 <sipa> That's it for me. We can discuss more on the relevant PRs.
3412026-06-18T16:34:02 <stickies-v> Anything else to discuss?
3422026-06-18T16:34:21 <b10c> my vibe-coded https://github.com/0xb10c/bitcoind-gunix side-project is now able compile all binaries and tarballs for v31.0 byte-for-byte in Nix, without any byte-patching needed. The Nix SHA256SUMS match the Guix SHA256SUMS
3432026-06-18T16:34:27 <b10c> Not sure about the future of this project yet, but pretty cool to see that this is even possible
3442026-06-18T16:34:38 <sipa> b10c: woah
3452026-06-18T16:34:40 <sedited> cool!
3462026-06-18T16:35:09 <janb84> fun
3472026-06-18T16:35:39 <yuvicc> great!
3482026-06-18T16:36:41 <Murch[m]> Since there are a lot of BIP authors here. I have started looking over BIPs in Draft to see if some of them should be advanced to Complete or should be Closed. If you have Draft BIPs that you think should be advanced to a different status, you could help by opening a PR yourself :)
3492026-06-18T16:36:43 <fanquake> b10c: what is left to do on the nix bootstrapping front? Or is that already solved?
3502026-06-18T16:37:16 <fanquake> I did see something recently about re-using guix packages in nix, or vice-versa (cc willcl-ark)
3512026-06-18T16:38:10 <b10c> fanquake: I haven't checked in a while. Will have a look at some point!
3522026-06-18T16:40:41 <jonatack> Murch[m]: +1 good idea
3532026-06-18T16:41:32 <stickies-v> looks like we're all done here. thanks everyone for chiming in!
3542026-06-18T16:41:39 <stickies-v> #endmeeting
3552026-06-18T16:41:39 <corebot> stickies-v: Meeting ended at 2026-06-18T16:41+0000
3562026-06-18T16:41:40 <corebot> stickies-v: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-06-18_16_00.log.json
3572026-06-18T16:41:41 <corebot> stickies-v: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-06-18_16_00.log.html
3582026-06-18T16:41:42 <corebot> stickies-v: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-06-18_16_00.html
3592026-06-18T16:42:37 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #35564: Update secp256k1 subtree to latest master (master...update_secp_subtree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35564
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3622026-06-18T16:44:08 <l0rinc> sipa: I have experimented a while ago with setting the leveldb block cache and I couldn't measure any difference. I assumed it was the OS file caching.
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3682026-06-18T16:59:15 <sipa> l0rinc: does not surprise me
3692026-06-18T16:59:42 <sipa> i vaguely recall experimenting with it too, very long ago, when introducing it, and not measuring much
3702026-06-18T16:59:54 <sipa> so that's why they're not particularly large numbers
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3762026-06-18T17:58:13 <bitcoin-git> [gui] pablomartin4btc opened pull request #941: bugfix: Close transaction detail windows when switching wallets (master...gui/close-tx-windows-on-wallet-switch) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/941
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