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432026-09-10T04:11:15 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] yuvicc opened pull request #36214: test: cover cluster limits during reorgs (master...2026-7-add_reorg_test_cluster_mempoool) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36214
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902026-09-10T09:50:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hodlinator opened pull request #36215: asmap: Make version match externally computed hashes (master...2026/09/asmap_ver_s256) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36215
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922026-09-10T09:54:06 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fc4f35fdce4d...5a5b1ed7471f
932026-09-10T09:54:06 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3c91db2 Fabian Jahr: net: Update embedded asmap to 1788801420
942026-09-10T09:54:07 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5a5b1ed merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#36201: Update embedded asmap to 1788801420
952026-09-10T09:54:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #36201: Update embedded asmap to 1788801420 (master...2026-09-latest-asmap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36201
962026-09-10T10:00:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5a5b1ed7471f...b5ef74b248cd
972026-09-10T10:00:17 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3a9b84 littleyier: doc: Correct upstream-pull reference
982026-09-10T10:00:18 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b5ef74b merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#36211: doc: Fix PR reference in productivity guide
992026-09-10T10:00:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #36211: doc: Fix PR reference in productivity guide (master...doc-fix-pr-refspec-reference) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36211
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1012026-09-10T10:12:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #35929: guix, depends: Drop `GUIX_ENVIRONMENT` from `gen_id` calculations (master...260807-guix-depends) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35929
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1042026-09-10T10:33:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b5ef74b248cd...4a15e0b6f9c5
1052026-09-10T10:33:19 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ecdf9db David Gumberg: test: get_previous_releases.py use `PREVIOUS_RELEASES_DIR`
1062026-09-10T10:33:19 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4a15e0b merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#36195: test: `get_previous_releases.py` use `PREVIOU...
1072026-09-10T10:33:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #36195: test: `get_previous_releases.py` use `PREVIOUS_RELEASES_DIR` (master...2026-09-08-prevdef) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36195
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1132026-09-10T11:27:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #36218: build: avoid `pipe2` on Darwin (for now) (master...macos_avoid_pipe2_atm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36218
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1222026-09-10T12:27:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sedited pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4a15e0b6f9c5...a42da819a96c
1232026-09-10T12:27:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 28b69e2 Matthew Zipkin: http: stop processing requests from a client when send buffer is full
1242026-09-10T12:27:58 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a42da81 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#36174: http: throttle send buffer when client stops ...
1252026-09-10T12:27:59 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sedited merged pull request #36174: http: throttle send buffer when client stops draining (master...http-throttle-send) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36174
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1272026-09-10T12:43:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sedited pushed 19 commits to 31.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/017eb433a5e1...62b39a28bf56
1282026-09-10T12:43:03 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/31.x a5c6c4f MarcoFalke: test: Append print_suppressions=0 to LSAN_OPTIONS, and suppress bitcoin-qt
1292026-09-10T12:43:03 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/31.x 792ddd6 cyb3ralbert: doc: mention -DWITH_ZMQ=ON in macOS build guide
1302026-09-10T12:43:03 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/31.x f77502f Hennadii Stepanov: doc: Drop GCC upgrade instructions for NetBSD
1312026-09-10T12:43:04 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sedited merged pull request #35969: [31.x] More Backports (31.x...even_more_31_x_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/35969
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1512026-09-10T14:49:45 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] arejula27 opened pull request #36219: rpc: report background validation progress in getchainstates (master...rpc-getchainstates-background-progress) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36219
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1542026-09-10T14:53:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] arejula27 closed pull request #36219: rpc: report background validation progress in getchainstates (master...rpc-getchainstates-background-progress) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36219
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1572026-09-10T15:05:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] arejula27 opened pull request #36220: rpc: report background validation progress in getchainstates (master...rpc-getchainstates-background-progress) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36220
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1682026-09-10T15:31:15 <bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] hebasto merged pull request #871: Staging Initial Foundational commits (staging...qml-foundation-staging) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/871
1692026-09-10T15:35:38 <bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] hebasto closed pull request #751: Staging Branch (1 of N) (qt6-dev...260608-qml-release) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/751
1702026-09-10T15:36:41 <bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] johnny9 opened pull request #890: Staging 3: Node tools and diagnostics (staging...draft/qt6-chunk-3-node-tools) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/890
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1792026-09-10T16:00:01 <fjahr> #startmeeting
1802026-09-10T16:00:01 <corebot> fjahr: Meeting started at 2026-09-10T16:00+0000
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1842026-09-10T16:00:06 <corebot> fjahr: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
1852026-09-10T16:00:11 <stickies-v> hi
1862026-09-10T16:00:13 <fjahr> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: _aj_ abubakarsadiq achow101 andrewtoth b10c brunoerg cfields danielabrozzoni darosior dergoegge dzxzg eugenesiegel fanquake fjahr furszy hebasto hodlinator instagibbs janb84 jarolrod johnny9dev jonatack josie jurraca kanzure kevkevin laanwj lightlike l0rinc maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator pseudoramdom ryanofsky sdaftuar sedited sipa sliv3r__ sr_gi stickies-v stringintech
1872026-09-10T16:00:14 <hebasto> hi
1882026-09-10T16:00:14 <fjahr> theStack vasild willcl-ark
1892026-09-10T16:00:16 <nervana21> hi
1902026-09-10T16:00:19 <eugenesiegel> hi
1912026-09-10T16:00:20 <enochazariah> hi
1922026-09-10T16:00:21 <instagibbs> hi
1932026-09-10T16:00:22 <stringintech> hi
1942026-09-10T16:00:24 <brunoerg> hi
1952026-09-10T16:00:28 <fjahr> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
1962026-09-10T16:00:29 <janb84> hi
1972026-09-10T16:00:34 <andrewtoth> hi
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1992026-09-10T16:00:35 <johnny9dev> Hi
2002026-09-10T16:00:35 <willcl-ark> hi
2012026-09-10T16:00:48 <lightlike> hi
2022026-09-10T16:00:51 <sedited> hi
2032026-09-10T16:00:54 <pseudoramdom> hi
2042026-09-10T16:01:02 <kanzure> hi
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2072026-09-10T16:01:27 <tigerMafia> hello
2082026-09-10T16:01:37 <yancy> hi
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2102026-09-10T16:01:46 <fjahr> Let's start with the WGs
2112026-09-10T16:01:50 <fjahr> #topic QA WG Update (brunoerg)
2122026-09-10T16:01:57 <brunoerg> no update this week
2132026-09-10T16:02:07 <fjahr> #topic QML GUI WG Update (johnny9dev)
2142026-09-10T16:02:20 <johnny9dev> First chunk of the staging branch was merged in
2152026-09-10T16:02:39 <johnny9dev> Establishes the qml foundational pieces
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2172026-09-10T16:02:54 <johnny9dev> hebasto helped a ton with the final review
2182026-09-10T16:03:20 <johnny9dev> I have drafts for the next two chunks. Both will setup the wallet disabled version of the gui.
2192026-09-10T16:03:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a42da819a96c...51b540c59aae
2202026-09-10T16:03:29 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9c77483 fanquake: build: avoid pipe2 on Darwin (for now)
2212026-09-10T16:03:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 51b540c merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#36218: build: avoid `pipe2` on Darwin (for now)
2222026-09-10T16:03:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #36218: build: avoid `pipe2` on Darwin (for now) (master...macos_avoid_pipe2_atm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36218
2232026-09-10T16:03:34 <hebasto> post-merge review is always welcome; especially from python people
2242026-09-10T16:03:53 <cfields> hi
2252026-09-10T16:03:53 <johnny9dev> Yeah everything can be updated. Nothing has to be finalized
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2272026-09-10T16:04:41 <johnny9dev> I have a rough list of all of the chunks now and the order they should go in and I will create the tracking issue to "Upgrading Gui to Qml" with it.
2282026-09-10T16:05:42 <johnny9dev> Pseudoramdom is updating the designs to make them more desktop friendly and consistent in parallel and epicleafies is taking care of transaction and activity issues
2292026-09-10T16:05:46 <johnny9dev> That's all for now
2302026-09-10T16:06:08 <fjahr> #topic Benchmarking WG Update (l0rinc, andrewtoth)
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2322026-09-10T16:06:29 <andrewtoth> no update
2332026-09-10T16:06:33 <sipa> hi
2342026-09-10T16:06:42 <fjahr> #topic Kernel WG Update (sedited)
2352026-09-10T16:06:50 <sedited> don't have anything from my side, but stickies-v recently pushed to #34374 again and left a comment: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34374#issuecomment-5605856730
2362026-09-10T16:06:52 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/34374 | kernel: use struct-based logging and simplify logging interface by stickies-v · Pull Request #34374 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
2372026-09-10T16:06:56 <sedited> would be good to get some comments there.
2382026-09-10T16:06:59 <sedited> that's all.
2392026-09-10T16:07:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #36221: [31.x] More Backports (31.x...even_more_31_x_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36221
2402026-09-10T16:07:33 <Murch[m]> hi
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2422026-09-10T16:07:40 <theStack> hi
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2442026-09-10T16:07:41 <fjahr> That's it for the WGs afaict, anything to say about the release?
2452026-09-10T16:09:12 <fanquake> I think we are looking pretty decent for branch off
2462026-09-10T16:09:16 <sedited> branch-off should be today, but there are still a few things in the milestone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/84
2472026-09-10T16:09:27 <darosior> hi
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2502026-09-10T16:09:56 <fanquake> There does seem to be an outstanding thread in regards to private broadcast, which could be worth discussing now
2512026-09-10T16:10:53 <fanquake> Re what's left on the milestone, if any of those miss, they should also all be fine to backport into 32.x
2522026-09-10T16:11:22 <sedited> yes
2532026-09-10T16:11:30 <fjahr> What's the private broadcast thread?
2542026-09-10T16:12:11 <darosior> Should we do privatebroadcast now or milestone?
2552026-09-10T16:12:11 <fanquake> re private broadcast. Some privacy leaks have reported to the security team, and we'd like to facilitate a broader discussion about the threat model to know how to handle those
2562026-09-10T16:12:55 <fanquake> I don't think there's too much to discuss on the milestone, other than, everything is looking for review
2572026-09-10T16:13:03 <fanquake> (or if someone thinks something is missing)
2582026-09-10T16:14:16 <fjahr> fanquake: but is that something still relevant for the release, e.g. putting some warning in there, or is this a discussion unrelated to the release
2592026-09-10T16:14:54 <fanquake> fjahr: I think it's both
2602026-09-10T16:15:10 <sedited> my impression is the base assumption of the feature is "no worse privacy than only connecting through tor"
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2622026-09-10T16:16:06 <andrewtoth> there's one issue i think we should patch
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2642026-09-10T16:16:21 <andrewtoth> not sure what we are discussing here exactly though
2652026-09-10T16:17:10 <instagibbs> so for release, we could suggest remediations such as preferred configurations, or soft enforce them in releases. as an example
2662026-09-10T16:17:49 <sedited> what do you mean with preferred configurations instagibbs?
2672026-09-10T16:18:28 <andrewtoth> I'm not sure having to speak cryptically in a public conversation is helpful. Otherwise we should have a private conversation somewhere else where we can discuss everything openly.
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2692026-09-10T16:18:50 <darosior> My understanding is there is more than one issue, and that it's not clear how far we want to go in patching them, and how to think about it consistently.
2702026-09-10T16:19:28 <darosior> andrewtoth: i think we can discuss openly what privacy guarantees we want to provide users. Then the specific instances in which they are breached can be kept momentarily private like we do for security breaches.
2712026-09-10T16:19:58 <fanquake> I think a situation where we need to ship a feature with a caveat of *maybe don't use it unless you configure it a certain way*, but we don't make that the default, is not great
2722026-09-10T16:20:07 <instagibbs> sedited f.e. we could encourage peoeple who want higher assurance that the run onlynet=onion, or similar. Or maybe this is again just pure communication about privacy model
2732026-09-10T16:20:34 <lightlike> yes, we could mention that private broadcast is still somewhat new/experimental and recommend to combine it with -onlynet=onion and -listen=0 if privacy is really needed instead of fully trusting it.
2742026-09-10T16:20:56 <instagibbs> ^ less inbound influence, that sort of thing yes
2752026-09-10T16:21:15 <sipa> (I haven't followed the issues) is there much of a point to privatebroadcast if you're in -onlynet=onion -listen=0 ?
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2772026-09-10T16:21:45 <instagibbs> I think the idea was logical OR?
2782026-09-10T16:21:48 <sedited> agree with sipa, there seems to be no point to the feature if that is the case.
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2802026-09-10T16:22:24 <lightlike> sipa: correlating multiple connections originating from a node - any random outbound peer could do that.
2812026-09-10T16:22:31 <sipa> There is a small advantage still, namely that the receiver cannot correlate it with other traffic from you.
2822026-09-10T16:22:34 <sipa> Right.
2832026-09-10T16:22:56 <lightlike> *multiple transactions, not connections
2842026-09-10T16:24:41 <sedited> I think this should be a binary choice. Either it works as advertised, or it doesn't and should be removed.
2852026-09-10T16:25:01 <instagibbs> "as advertised" doing all the work
2862026-09-10T16:25:15 <andrewtoth> so what are we advertising?
2872026-09-10T16:25:23 <darosior> Yeah exactly, i agree with sedited but what guarantee are we aiming to provide
2882026-09-10T16:25:34 <fjahr> Depending on how easy to exploit the leak is, maybe documentation is not enough and we should enforce the settings until we have had the broader discussion. We should assume at least some users really need serious privacy if they use it and it seems risky no only use documentation.
2892026-09-10T16:26:20 <andrewtoth> either we are talking about the guarantees we want to provide, or we are talking about some mitigation for something we can't disclose
2902026-09-10T16:26:36 <sipa> The 31.0 release notes make some promises.
2912026-09-10T16:26:56 <darosior> Are shooting for "If you are not a reachable node, operating only on Tor, then we guarantee the transactions you broadcast won't be easily correlated with each other"?
2922026-09-10T16:26:58 <instagibbs> If our privacy model is "honest but curious", then AFAIK we cover that. It's also about user expectations
2932026-09-10T16:27:16 <instagibbs> but that;s hard to to communicate, and weaker
2942026-09-10T16:27:38 <instagibbs> "what's honest but curious": they follow protocol, but write everything down, say
2952026-09-10T16:27:45 <fanquake> The claims in https://bitcoincore.org/en/releases/31.0/ are "Their IP address (and thus geolocation) is never known to the recipients." & "If the originator sends two otherwise unrelated transactions, they will not be linkable. This is because a separate connection is used for broadcasting each transaction. "
2962026-09-10T16:27:51 <darosior> instagibbs: so, passive observer?
2972026-09-10T16:27:54 <instagibbs> vs active probing, protcool violations
2982026-09-10T16:27:54 <sedited> yeah, that seems very clear.
2992026-09-10T16:28:06 <instagibbs> darosior they follow the stated protocol
3002026-09-10T16:28:14 <instagibbs> whatever that means
3012026-09-10T16:28:26 <instagibbs> the prior issue we had and fixed violated this
3022026-09-10T16:28:27 <sipa> There isn't even a well-defined "honest" behavior for nodes.
3032026-09-10T16:28:39 <instagibbs> sipa handwaving here
3042026-09-10T16:29:00 <sedited> if we can't guarantee what's in those release notes, then we should not ship the feature imo.
3052026-09-10T16:29:19 <darosior> Making a difference between passive and active attackers here make sense, but i'm concerned it would be hard to translate into an actionable information for users, and end up being a footgun.
3062026-09-10T16:29:57 <sipa> Right, but "honest but curious" is trivially false, if every behavior is "honest". That's a term that's used in cryptographic protocol with a well-defined prescription of how honest parties operate. Bitcoin doesn't have any of those.
3072026-09-10T16:29:59 <instagibbs> fanquake ok that note is wrong, two txs can be linked at the blockchain layer even with perfect impl
3082026-09-10T16:30:14 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #36222: [30.x] More Backports (30.x...even_more_30_x_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36222
3092026-09-10T16:30:18 <instagibbs> "not be linkable at the networking layer" maybe
3102026-09-10T16:30:35 <andrewtoth> instagibbs "otherwise unrelated" though
3112026-09-10T16:30:48 <andrewtoth> maybe that can be better defined
3122026-09-10T16:30:52 <instagibbs> andrewtoth well, theyre all related :D but yes
3132026-09-10T16:31:36 <instagibbs> sipa ok, then that. dont worry about my misuse of labels too much
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3152026-09-10T16:32:10 <sipa> instagibbs: no, i literally don't understand what you mean
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3172026-09-10T16:33:01 <sipa> like you seem to have an implicit understanding of what "an honest node" means, but i think there is no such thing, and i don't know what it ought to entail
3182026-09-10T16:33:25 <darosior> What threshold are we aiming for to release this feature? That it prevents linkage at the network layer against a passive observer? Against an active one if you are not reachable? Against an active one if you are not reachable AND Tor-only? Against an active one no matter one?
3192026-09-10T16:33:29 <instagibbs> maybe the answer is "no we have no common definitions of what we're promising"
3202026-09-10T16:35:03 <andrewtoth> ideally the strongest, but it's hard to say whether we can do it or not. Some issues preventing that can be patched easily, some I've seen are very theoretical and don't seem plausible.
3212026-09-10T16:35:06 <b10c> hi
3222026-09-10T16:36:05 <instagibbs> let's save the risk estimation for the security team, please
3232026-09-10T16:36:13 <instagibbs> at least for now
3242026-09-10T16:36:30 <andrewtoth> well then we want to keep the guarantees from v31 release notes?
3252026-09-10T16:37:30 <fjahr> We need to have some clarifying information though, the feature is called privatebroadcast so people will expect something just based on that
3262026-09-10T16:37:56 <andrewtoth> yeah, this conversation is too difficult if everything is not on the table
3272026-09-10T16:38:11 <dzxzg> +1
3282026-09-10T16:38:20 <darosior> It's hard for me to see how we could give these guarantees completely as long as we have the mechanism embedded in net_processing, so plausibility may need to be discussed as part of the goal here. Are we happy to ship this feature if we give "reasonable" guarantees, i.e. kill the really low hanging fruits, on a "it's better than nothing" basis?
3292026-09-10T16:38:51 <darosior> fjahr: +1 for expectations
3302026-09-10T16:39:31 <sipa> Maybe this needs a discussion at coredev, and a focus right now about what we can reasonable address by documentation clarification for 32?
3312026-09-10T16:39:38 <instagibbs> ^ this
3322026-09-10T16:39:56 <tigerMafia> fjahr: +1
3332026-09-10T16:40:25 <andrewtoth> how can we focus on what we can reasonably address if we can't discuss the issues?
3342026-09-10T16:42:01 <darosior> Yeah i was really still on the binary question of what threshold are we setting for ourselves (which necessarily entail not shipping it at all until it meets that threshold, instead of trying to address it with documentation).
3352026-09-10T16:42:09 <dzxzg> If the security model has changed substantially since when the feature was shipped it should be disabled or renamed, but I do think something should ship which is better than the default
3362026-09-10T16:42:47 <darosior> My favorite shed for the rename is -cloakedbroadcast /s
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3382026-09-10T16:43:57 <andrewtoth> i don't think we should disable it, it is better than the default way to broadcast.
3392026-09-10T16:43:59 <darosior> (But i do think rename makes more sense than documenting a feature called "private X" with caveats "actually not private in scenarii x, y and z")
3402026-09-10T16:44:12 <instagibbs> dzxzg issue is I'm not sure we agreed ahead of time
3412026-09-10T16:44:40 <sedited> I'm confused, what's not clear about the release note there?
3422026-09-10T16:44:53 <instagibbs> I dont read the docs
3432026-09-10T16:45:00 <instagibbs> *ducks*
3442026-09-10T16:45:03 <sedited> :D
3452026-09-10T16:45:21 <sipa> instagibbs: well, you or your agent
3462026-09-10T16:45:27 <darosior> sedited: fair
3472026-09-10T16:45:57 <instagibbs> the docs seem to match my expectation of the feature in my head so maybe less confusion than im letting on
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3502026-09-10T16:48:59 <yancy> I think the wording "never known" might give a false sense of security.
3512026-09-10T16:49:40 <darosior> Ok since i don't think the status quo is desirable, i suggest we rename the feature for the upcoming release, with a name that does not give as much expectation as "private" broadcast, and make weaker claims in our release notes than we did for 31. This way we keep the option for now because it's better than the other broadcast, but also don't risk
3522026-09-10T16:49:41 <darosior> users depending on something we cannot guarantee.
3532026-09-10T16:49:58 <instagibbs> ah the easy part, naming things
3542026-09-10T16:49:59 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #36223: [29.x] More Backports (29.x...even_more_29_x_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36223
3552026-09-10T16:50:10 <fjahr> -betterthanthedefaultbroadcast it is
3562026-09-10T16:50:28 <sliv3r__> -broadcast++
3572026-09-10T16:50:51 <tigerMafia> yancy: yes! given the current state of the discussion, it's VERY bold
3582026-09-10T16:50:58 <darosior> I don't think it's a great situation, but i don't have a better idea for 32 literally on the day of branch off.
3592026-09-10T16:51:05 <andrewtoth> a release not warning is not enough?
3602026-09-10T16:51:11 <andrewtoth> *note
3612026-09-10T16:51:21 <eugenesiegel> -notsoprivatebroadcast
3622026-09-10T16:51:31 <sedited> this will have to be backported anway, so we'll have a few weeks to discuss.
3632026-09-10T16:51:44 <lightlike> and when we fixed the known issues, do we rename it back to "private broadcast"?
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3652026-09-10T16:52:15 <darosior> lightlike: -evenbetterthandefaultbroadcast
3662026-09-10T16:52:17 <andrewtoth> lightlike +1 - release note warning is better
3672026-09-10T16:53:23 <darosior> I don't think a release note is nearly enough to compensate for the potential sense of security providing a feature called "private X" may give to users.
3682026-09-10T16:53:58 <tigerMafia> how's "-veilbroadcast" since it's partial in privacy
3692026-09-10T16:54:04 <instagibbs> release note warning should happen regardless
3702026-09-10T16:54:07 <darosior> Anyways, i don't have much to add on this topic.
3712026-09-10T16:55:19 <fjahr> The meeting is coming to a close in 5min, feel free to continue discussing renaming vs. release notes, but is there anything else anyone wanted to discuss/announce in the meeting?
3722026-09-10T16:56:29 <fjahr> I think renaming should be to some name that doesn't make any promises, like -oneshottorbroadcast then we don't have issues like this with naming
3732026-09-10T16:56:46 <fjahr> (if people want a renaming)
3742026-09-10T16:57:39 <dzxzg> no strong feeling about what the name should be, but the point of renaming in my mind is less about the promises the name makes and more to catch people that haven't read release notes or new documentation and go on using private broadcast with the wrong expectations
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3762026-09-10T16:58:06 <Murch[m]> Isnât the point that the transaction appears to come from a node that isnât the sender?
3772026-09-10T16:58:23 <Murch[m]> So, maybe âteleportbroadcastâ or âstrawmanbroadcastâ or smth?
3782026-09-10T16:58:50 <Murch[m]> surrogatebroadcast? :p
3792026-09-10T16:59:11 <instagibbs> temudandelion
3802026-09-10T16:59:17 <Murch[m]> heh
3812026-09-10T16:59:21 <instagibbs> im JOKING
3822026-09-10T16:59:40 <fjahr> Murch: sounds still fine, as long as it's more descriptive of the mechanism rather than making promises of an end result
3832026-09-10T16:59:44 <yancy> shielded-broadcast is my bikeshed color
3842026-09-10T16:59:58 <fjahr> sipa about to suggest -minibroadcast
3852026-09-10T17:00:08 <fjahr> Ok, let's end the meeting with this :D
3862026-09-10T17:00:17 <fjahr> #endmeeting
3872026-09-10T17:00:17 <corebot> fjahr: Meeting ended at 2026-09-10T17:00+0000
3882026-09-10T17:00:18 <corebot> fjahr: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-09-10_16_00.log.json
3892026-09-10T17:00:19 <corebot> fjahr: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-09-10_16_00.log.html
3902026-09-10T17:00:20 <corebot> fjahr: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-09-10_16_00.html
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3932026-09-10T17:01:39 <bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] pseudoramdom opened pull request #891: Redesign the desktop wallet selector and fix balance formatting (qt6...wallet-selector-redesign) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/891
3942026-09-10T17:02:15 * Murch[m] rolls a D20. Misty Broadcast?
3952026-09-10T17:03:43 * Murch[m] uploaded an image: (77KiB) < https://matrix.bitcoin.ninja/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/jULgomHSbWzCAOOktkuQuWje/image.png >
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4032026-09-10T17:31:07 <andrewtoth> based on my understanding of the issues, what about if instead of a doc/name change, in v32 (and backport to v31), we tie -privatebroadcast=1 to require -listen=0?
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4082026-09-10T17:31:42 <andrewtoth> so you won't be able to startup without separately adding -listen=0
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4112026-09-10T17:32:03 <andrewtoth> that seems to mitigate any plausible issues
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4142026-09-10T17:33:46 <andrewtoth> we can work on removing that restriction afterwards
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4162026-09-10T17:40:47 <instagibbs> we kinda have to do a doc change regardless
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4272026-09-10T17:46:47 <andrewtoth> well rather than the name change
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4292026-09-10T17:49:30 <andrewtoth> i see this was discussed combined with onlynet=onion. I think tying it to onlynet=onion would be too much of a restriction. But I'm not sure that's necessary.
4302026-09-10T17:49:32 <Murch[m]> wdym? I think your sentence is missing a word
4312026-09-10T17:50:39 <andrewtoth> instead of changing the name, ship with required -listen=0?
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4332026-09-10T17:53:54 <Murch[m]> I meant to reply to your first sentence, sorry, it went out right when you elaborated
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4352026-09-10T17:57:35 <vasild> I just read the conversation above wrt privatebroadcast issues, renaming it, disabling it or whatever. Hmm, what are you talking about? What are the "issues" with it that would warrant that? Looks like I am the only one who has no clue what's going on.
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4372026-09-10T17:59:53 <sedited> vasild the discussion was about how the security group should understand the guarantees the feature should provide, not any particular issues about it.
4382026-09-10T18:00:14 <andrewtoth> well it was definitely a bit of both
4392026-09-10T18:05:06 <vasild> "not any particular issues about it" -- What's with the -onlynet=onion and -listen=0 options?
4402026-09-10T18:06:34 <sedited> I don't think there is anything with them.
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4862026-09-10T23:24:47 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nebula-21 opened pull request #36224: test: Add test coverage for `PartiallySignedTransaction::Merge()` (master...merge-psbt-coverage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36224
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