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582026-10-01T06:39:27 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc closed pull request #36395: script: clarify implicit signature-cache input requirements (master...l0rinc/sigcache-input-invariants) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36395
592026-10-01T06:39:28 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] l0rinc reopened pull request #36395: script: clarify implicit signature-cache input requirements (master...l0rinc/sigcache-input-invariants) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36395
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1032026-10-01T09:44:23 <fanquake> I've un-drafted #36300, if anyone has some backport review cycles
1042026-10-01T09:44:25 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/36300 | [32.x] More Backports by fanquake · Pull Request #36300 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1282026-10-01T11:30:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko closed pull request #36396: test: use assert helpers in interface_http.py (master...interface-http-assert-helpers) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36396
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1312026-10-01T11:58:11 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko opened pull request #36397: scripted-diff: Remove trailing newlines from one-line log messages (master...2610-log-format-string-trailing-newline) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36397
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1332026-10-01T12:21:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] maflcko closed pull request #36121: fuzz: Corpus sharding in parallel runs (master...2608-fuzz-sharding) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36121
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1472026-10-01T13:42:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d4b0e1e4b078...7988380da987
1482026-10-01T13:42:35 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c9d101c fanquake: guix: split Linux toolchain
1492026-10-01T13:42:35 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7988380 Hennadii Stepanov: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#36272: guix: split Linux toolchain
1502026-10-01T13:42:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto merged pull request #36272: guix: split Linux toolchain (master...split_linux_toolchain) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36272
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1602026-10-01T14:25:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #36398: wallet: only rebroadcast transactions originating from the wallet (master...202620_wallet_restric_rebroadcast) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36398
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1682026-10-01T15:24:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #36399: common: Skip environment locale check on illumos (master...261001-illumos-locale) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36399
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1702026-10-01T15:33:36 <bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] hebasto merged pull request #937: qml: Redesign onboarding and streamline wallet creation (qt6...wallet-creation-redesign) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/937
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1892026-10-01T16:00:07 <brunoerg> hi
1902026-10-01T16:00:08 <stickies-v> hi
1912026-10-01T16:00:09 <abubakarsadiq> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: _aj_ abubakarsadiq achow101 andrewtoth b10c brunoerg cfields danielabrozzoni darosior dzxzg eugenesiegel fanquake fjahr furszy hebasto hodlinator instagibbs janb84 jarolrod johnny9dev jonatack josie jurraca kanzure kevkevin laanwj lightlike l0rinc maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator pseudoramdom ryanofsky sdaftuar sedited sipa sliv3r__ sr_gi stickies-v stringintech
1922026-10-01T16:00:09 <abubakarsadiq> theStack vasild willcl-ark
1932026-10-01T16:00:12 <janb84> hi
1942026-10-01T16:00:12 <eugenesiegel> hi
1952026-10-01T16:00:14 <cfields> hi
1962026-10-01T16:00:18 <hebasto> hi
1972026-10-01T16:00:18 <lightlike> hi
1982026-10-01T16:00:19 <instagibbs> hello
1992026-10-01T16:00:19 <dzxzg> hi
2002026-10-01T16:00:22 <pseudoramdom> hi
2012026-10-01T16:00:26 <maxedw> hi
2022026-10-01T16:00:27 <yancy> hi
2032026-10-01T16:00:37 <johnny9dev> Hi
2042026-10-01T16:00:37 <willcl-ark> hi
2052026-10-01T16:00:40 <l0rinc> hi
2062026-10-01T16:00:55 <abubakarsadiq> #topic Fuzzing WG Update (eugenesiegel, marcofleon)
2072026-10-01T16:00:59 <b10c> hi
2082026-10-01T16:01:24 <eugenesiegel> I'm not sure if marcofleon is here, but no update from my side
2092026-10-01T16:01:34 <abubakarsadiq> ð
2102026-10-01T16:01:39 <abubakarsadiq> #topic Kernel WG Update (sedited)
2112026-10-01T16:01:40 <enochazariah> hi
2122026-10-01T16:01:46 <nervana21> hi
2132026-10-01T16:01:50 <andrewtoth_> hi
2142026-10-01T16:01:52 <marcofleon> no update this week
2152026-10-01T16:01:54 <marcofleon> possibly next
2162026-10-01T16:02:02 <theStack> hi
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2182026-10-01T16:03:00 <abubakarsadiq> I think @sedited is not here, so I will move on.
2192026-10-01T16:03:01 <abubakarsadiq> #topic Benchmarking WG Update (l0rinc, andrewtoth)
2202026-10-01T16:03:18 <l0rinc> nothing from my side, but want to present something next week
2212026-10-01T16:03:26 <andrewtoth_> I haven't had an update in this WG in a while. I think I can be removed as lead.
2222026-10-01T16:03:32 <andrewtoth_> I will still actively review speedup PRs and benchmark, but I don't really have regular updates to give.
2232026-10-01T16:04:21 <abubakarsadiq> alright, if l0rinc also has no update, it can be archived.
2242026-10-01T16:04:25 <abubakarsadiq> #topic QML GUI WG Update (johnny9dev)
2252026-10-01T16:05:16 <johnny9dev> Pseudorandom has completed a comprehensive overhaul of the UX
2262026-10-01T16:05:33 <johnny9dev> Its looking good and were close to a design we think will work for release
2272026-10-01T16:05:45 <johnny9dev> Will start getting more feedback on it.
2282026-10-01T16:06:01 <johnny9dev> If anyone is interested in trying its in the qt6 branch of the project
2292026-10-01T16:06:10 <johnny9dev> That's all for this week
2302026-10-01T16:06:31 <abubakarsadiq> thanks @johnny9dev
2312026-10-01T16:06:32 <abubakarsadiq> #topic QML GUI WG Update (johnny9dev)
2322026-10-01T16:06:41 <abubakarsadiq> #topic QA WG Update (brunoerg)
2332026-10-01T16:07:03 <brunoerg> Hi, I've been working on a new project which is a collaborative mutation testing platform (https://mutanthub.space/). I've noticed that we have people using different tools and approaches to create mutants, different PRs addressing mutants (some overlaps), etc.
2342026-10-01T16:07:08 <willcl-ark> are there pre-built bins johnny9dev?
2352026-10-01T16:07:28 <brunoerg> So the idea of this new platform is that everything is centralized there and it becomes more collaborative.
2362026-10-01T16:07:46 <brunoerg> Anyone can submit surviving mutants, reproduce and evaluate them.
2372026-10-01T16:08:02 <brunoerg> For every surviving mutant, people can claim that a commit or PR kills it (so people can test it and/or avoid overlaps), as well as we can have discussions about mutants there.
2382026-10-01T16:08:15 <yuvicc> hi
2392026-10-01T16:08:33 <brunoerg> In the coming days, I will probably shutdown https://bitcoincore.space and https://secp256k1.space and centralize everything on mutanthub.
2402026-10-01T16:08:40 <johnny9dev> willcl-ark: by the end of the day bitcoincore.app will have them
2412026-10-01T16:09:01 <brunoerg> feedback is welcome
2422026-10-01T16:09:02 <sipa> hi
2432026-10-01T16:09:03 <brunoerg> that's all
2442026-10-01T16:09:13 <willcl-ark> ð
2452026-10-01T16:09:58 <abubakarsadiq> @brunoerg whats the process of submitting mutants?
2462026-10-01T16:12:35 <brunoerg> e.g. you can open any file from our source code (at https://mutanthub.space/projects/bitcoin/bitcoin/code), click on a specific line and suggest a mutant. Me as admin of the platform or any other people that wants to help in this process have to approve it (just to avoid trolls).
2472026-10-01T16:13:06 <brunoerg> we also have a feature that me and selected people can do bulk import from a json file.
2482026-10-01T16:13:45 <dzxzg> The killed mutants are the ones where a fix has been pushed to the project?
2492026-10-01T16:13:46 <abubakarsadiq> nice, thanks
2502026-10-01T16:14:20 <brunoerg> killed mutants are the ones that are detected by any of our tests
2512026-10-01T16:15:03 <brunoerg> considering the tests at the same commit point from where that mutant was created
2522026-10-01T16:15:51 <dzxzg> ah i see, thanks for sharing it looks awesome
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2542026-10-01T16:17:27 <abubakarsadiq> Anything else to discuss?
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2582026-10-01T16:17:55 <dzxzg> Maybe just an ask there's still some items on the 32.0 milestone, it would be helpful if anyone has extra hands to look thee
2592026-10-01T16:18:14 <abubakarsadiq> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestone/84
2602026-10-01T16:18:27 <eugenesiegel> would people find it helpful if they could tag some sort of bot or add a label that says they want a fuzzamoto build on their PR (assuming fuzzamoto covers the code in the first place)
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2622026-10-01T16:19:02 <instagibbs> eugenesiegel remind me where is there a spot to look at scenarios covered
2632026-10-01T16:19:35 <willcl-ark> I have another bot-related topic, after eugenesiegel
2642026-10-01T16:19:49 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 25 commits to 32.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/bc795e60dbb2...5ac9f35735f1
2652026-10-01T16:19:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/32.x 7a0964a will: rpc: Correct OpenRPC default metadata
2662026-10-01T16:19:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/32.x 98b9a49 Ava Chow: wallet: Remove WalletDescriptor's default constructor
2672026-10-01T16:19:50 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/32.x 655148d Ava Chow: wallet: Make WalletDescriptor's descriptor const
2682026-10-01T16:19:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #36300: [32.x] More Backports (32.x...more_32_0_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36300
2692026-10-01T16:19:53 <stickies-v> eugenesiegel: sounds useful to me
2702026-10-01T16:19:53 <eugenesiegel> instagibbs: scenarios here: https://github.com/oss-garage/fuzzamoto/tree/master/fuzzamoto-scenarios/bin  but the ir scenario covers most of the p2p stuff
2712026-10-01T16:21:36 <eugenesiegel> I can vibe-code a bot ppl can ping and make it as un-invasive as possible, that's all from me
2722026-10-01T16:22:54 <willcl-ark> I'm wondering if there'd be interest in a limited trial of automated AI reviews on PRs. I've already been testing this in my mirror of bitcoin/bitcoin, and I feel the results are useful enough. If there is interest, I think we could start on PRs coming from contibutors outside the frequent-contributor group.
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2742026-10-01T16:23:57 <instagibbs> could we start with allowing people to call it in for their PR, so people can sample it
2752026-10-01T16:24:03 <willcl-ark> My suspicion is that some (or all) PRs arrive with LLM assistance or review in some capacity, and that human reviewers will then download the branch and make another llm-assisted first pass review. An automated review could do some of that initial work once and make the findings available to everyone/the original author.
2762026-10-01T16:24:18 <willcl-ark> instagibbs: that could also be an approach
2772026-10-01T16:25:08 <eugenesiegel> can we make it so that another person can't invoke it on your own PR if it's opt-in?
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2792026-10-01T16:25:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #36400: 32 0 rc3 (32.x...32_0_rc3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36400
2802026-10-01T16:26:08 <willcl-ark> If you want to see what the reviews are like first, then you can check new/recently-synced PRs here: https://git.fish.foo/bitcoin/bitcoin there should be a comment from "ralph" after some time with a review
2812026-10-01T16:26:39 <yancy> I think that would be interesting upon request
2822026-10-01T16:27:02 <dzxzg> what model is it using?
2832026-10-01T16:27:11 <willcl-ark> I have to run out now, but will read all following messages when I get back (sorry about that). Happy to provide more details/links to bot code/prompts etc if folks want
2842026-10-01T16:27:57 <willcl-ark> I had codex make a crazy "how it works" chart which is here, and has the modesl in use for each agent/pass: https://github.com/willcl-ark/nix/blob/master/pkgs/forgejo-review-bot/README.md (it's a bit of a hectic document though)
2852026-10-01T16:28:03 <andrewtoth_> I think most of the value of LLM reviews is still having it be distilled by experienced contributors. So just posting the LLM output on a PR doesn't add much value IMO.
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2872026-10-01T16:30:11 <abubakarsadiq> andrewtoth_: +1, I think it can be noise sometimes, so a dev should review the LLM reviews and post them.
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2892026-10-01T16:31:43 <abubakarsadiq> #endmeeting
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2942026-10-01T16:31:50 <instagibbs> I think status quo could be greatly helped, especially in terms of new contributors, I'm not sure what the right system is but I am not sure everyone pretending to not meat proxy is the right way. Could we give willcl-ark a long leash to try something on a trial period and adapt as we go? something to discuss i guess
2952026-10-01T16:32:16 <instagibbs> Obviously we wouldnt want multiple instances rampaging around
2962026-10-01T16:33:50 <instagibbs> eugenesiegel is ther a fuzzamoto watering hole anywhere
2972026-10-01T16:36:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #36401: [30.x] More Backports (30.x...any_more_30_x_backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36401
2982026-10-01T16:39:31 <andrewtoth_> I think maybe new contributors are the least likely to benefit from non-distilled review output. LLM reviews are fuzzy and will generally always return a bunch of "issues" with the code that can be "improved". It still takes a human to tell it when to stop, and newer contributors won't know which threads to pull and which are false positives/noise.
2992026-10-01T16:41:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to 32.x: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5ac9f35735f1...2633a1ded5cd
3002026-10-01T16:41:30 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/32.x 9113214 fanquake: build: bump to v32.0rc3
3012026-10-01T16:41:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/32.x 477412d fanquake: doc: generate man pages
3022026-10-01T16:41:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/32.x 434087f fanquake: doc: generate example bitcoin.conf
3032026-10-01T16:41:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #36400: [32.x] 32.0rc3 (32.x...32_0_rc3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36400
3042026-10-01T16:42:07 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed tag v32.0rc3: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v32.0rc3
3052026-10-01T16:43:27 <eugenesiegel> instagibbs: no watering hole
3062026-10-01T16:46:11 <yancy> less frequent contributers does not necessarily mean less skilled, but good point.
3072026-10-01T16:48:26 <yancy> I guess maybe the orignal suggestion of outside the frequent-contributor group is better than new
3082026-10-01T16:48:55 <yancy> anyway, I think something on request is interesting since there seems to be a lot of unknowns, so a trial like that would be nioce
3092026-10-01T16:49:00 <yancy> nice
3102026-10-01T16:49:02 <instagibbs> or just ban new contributors from opening PRs, require quality issues
3112026-10-01T16:49:28 <andrewtoth_> instagibbs that is an interesting idea
3122026-10-01T16:49:30 <instagibbs> there's a whole spectrum of things we could do, we are not beholden to 2025 processes "just because".
3132026-10-01T16:49:37 <instagibbs> andrewtoth_ Goose team at spiral does this
3142026-10-01T16:49:45 <instagibbs> let me pull up blog
3152026-10-01T16:49:47 <andrewtoth_> yes I saw the blog post
3162026-10-01T16:50:06 <instagibbs> ð
3172026-10-01T16:50:18 <instagibbs> https://goose-docs.ai/blog/2026/07/30/issues-are-the-new-prs/
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3212026-10-01T16:57:47 <yancy> makes sense
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3232026-10-01T17:00:29 <andrewtoth_> That blog post also came up in the discussion about adding co-authorship to commits a few weeks ago.
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3292026-10-01T17:12:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nebula-21 opened pull request #36402: refactor: `wallet_importdescriptors` to separate `run_test()` contents into specific functions (master...refactor-wallet-importdescriptors-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36402
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3332026-10-01T17:16:10 <maflcko> willcl-ark: I am not sure about directly putting the LLM review in the main repo. My hope is still that the repo discussions are from humans for humans. I want to read comments written in the indidual voice and language of the human author. But seeing the share of monotone claude-speak in the repo today, maybe that ship has sailed :(
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3352026-10-01T17:16:44 <maflcko> My recommendation would be to add a anchor link to it (https://github.com/willcl-ark/nix/pull/1), so that it is easier to jump to it, for anyone who wants to, and also easy to ignore for anyone who does not want to.
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3382026-10-01T17:23:04 <instagibbs> I would definitely say that the author isn't liable to respond to the review, like they are in general required to respond to humans
3392026-10-01T17:24:54 <instagibbs> but there's a lot of review like that already :/
3402026-10-01T17:25:09 <eugenesiegel> is the author required to respond to a human copy-pasting llm output though
3412026-10-01T17:26:30 <andrewtoth_> I think adding this review to corecheck.dev or similar is better than having it in the main repo. That way it can still be pointed to when useful.
3422026-10-01T17:30:27 <instagibbs> eugenesiegel no, which is why I think status quo is already bad
3432026-10-01T17:34:02 <andrewtoth_> how do you know if it's a human copy-pasting llm output?
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3452026-10-01T17:36:01 <brunoerg> andrewtoth_ I feel few people check corecheck
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3472026-10-01T17:45:24 <eugenesiegel> andrewtoth_: you "can't", but you can guess I suppose
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3502026-10-01T17:48:33 <andrewtoth_> if it's people I've met, then I assume they are the ones copy-pasting. But otherwise I assume it's a bot behind the avatar.
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3562026-10-01T18:06:03 <bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] pseudoramdom opened pull request #940: qml: Add a customizable widget dashboard and Node overview (qt6...widget-system) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/940
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3952026-10-01T20:12:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] andrewtoth opened pull request #36404: fuzz: don't set random state for private broadcast test (master...private_broadcast_remove_fuzz_seed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36404
3962026-10-01T20:18:55 <bitcoin-git> [qa-assets] maflcko opened pull request #296: delete-nonreduced-fuzz-inputs: Use LLVM_VERSION 20 (main...default) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/qa-assets/pull/296
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3982026-10-01T20:32:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fametrano opened pull request #36405: test: look for the wtxid in p2p_blocksonly's block-relay-only inv check (master...test-blocksonly-wtxid-inv) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36405
3992026-10-01T20:32:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fametrano opened pull request #36406: test: make p2p_orphan_handling's never-requested checks able to fail (master...test-orphan-handling-never-requested-int) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36406
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4112026-10-01T21:29:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fametrano opened pull request #36407: test: make orphanage_dos_many fill the orphanage (master...test-orphanage-dos-many-inv) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/36407
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4182026-10-01T21:55:10 <l0rinc> I like the idea of extending corecheck in a non-invasive, opt-in way with careful AI review - it's a lot easier to instruct new contributors to just check that instead of reexplaining the same concepts.
4192026-10-01T21:57:40 <l0rinc> My concern is that those reviews will be very opinionated/centralized by whoever writes the prompts, so we should probably have our preferences documented in Core
4202026-10-01T21:59:01 <l0rinc> and the code review prompt be something simple like "review this PR based on locally available docs" or if we want to force deeper work: 1) "create an issue from this PR" 2) "implement this issue" 3) "compare these two implementations and add comments based on their differences"
4212026-10-01T22:01:34 <l0rinc> But it would help reviewers a lot if the basics were already covered by robots (the bot could even ACK when it thinks there are no blockers) - given that human review is even more of a bottleneck than ever...
4222026-10-01T22:05:25 <maxedw> happy to add AI review page to Corecheck if people think it's useful.
4232026-10-01T22:06:05 <yancy> corecheck.dev is pretty nice for frequent contrbuters that know about the dashboard. New people probably are going to look at it though, even if the PR literally says look over there.
4242026-10-01T22:06:29 <yancy> new people are probably _not_ going to look at it
4252026-10-01T22:15:32 <l0rinc> drahtbot could automatically convert to draft for new contributors if the AI review finds any blockers - with a response on how to mitigate the problem
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4322026-10-01T22:36:32 <l0rinc> one more note: if we end up using AI review, they should combine outputs from multiple models, not just the cheapest ones - which will likely cost thousands of dollars per month
4332026-10-01T22:48:01 <kanzure> instead of having people donate AI output tokens, they should donate AI API keys to specific developers who can prompt better and burn those tokens for more useful outputs.
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