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1362026-10-29T11:39:43 <fanquake> https://x.com/Kruwed/status/2115567804506398837 - positive user feedback
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1862026-10-29T14:27:41 <darosior> Received the CVE ids for the accelerated disclosures, and i've got a quick website technicality Q
1872026-10-29T14:28:33 <darosior> Should i rename the post filename to use the CVE id as we've almost always done in the past, and add a "redirect-from" from the previous name in the Markdown header? Or would that break something?
1882026-10-29T14:28:48 <darosior> I can also just change the post title
1892026-10-29T14:28:55 <fanquake> If we've been doing that previously, should be fine?
1902026-10-29T14:29:13 <fanquake> Although just changing the post name sounds simpler
1912026-10-29T14:29:17 <darosior> And redirect from the filename that would have been had we had the CVE ids earlier
1922026-10-29T14:29:29 <darosior> Yeah ok i'll do the latter then
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1942026-10-29T14:30:31 <darosior> I'll change the post title and throw a redirect in the dark. If it works, good, if it doesn't it's not a huge deal since all other links will use the pre-existing filename
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2082026-10-29T14:40:08 <darosior> Are we going to have the bot back at some point?
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2122026-10-29T14:43:03 <pinheadmz> #bitcoin-core-github
2132026-10-29T14:43:26 <lightlike> thanks!
2142026-10-29T14:46:53 <darosior> Thanks
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2732026-10-29T16:00:07 <stickies-v> #startmeeting
2742026-10-29T16:00:08 <corebot> stickies-v: Meeting started at 2026-10-29T16:00+0000
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2782026-10-29T16:00:12 <corebot> stickies-v: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
2792026-10-29T16:00:21 <pseudoramdom> hi
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2832026-10-29T16:00:30 <stickies-v> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: _aj_ abubakarsadiq achow101 andrewtoth b10c brunoerg cfields danielabrozzoni darosior dzxzg eugenesiegel fanquake fjahr furszy hebasto hodlinator instagibbs janb84 jarolrod johnny9dev jonatack josie jurraca kanzure kevkevin laanwj lightlike l0rinc maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator pseudoramdom ryanofsky sdaftuar sedited sipa sliv3r__ sr_gi stickies-v stringintech
2842026-10-29T16:00:30 <stickies-v> theStack vasild willcl-ark
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2872026-10-29T16:00:38 <vasild> hi
2882026-10-29T16:00:40 <willcl-ark> hi
2892026-10-29T16:00:41 <brunoerg> hi
2902026-10-29T16:00:42 <lightlike> hi
2912026-10-29T16:00:44 <yancy> hi
2922026-10-29T16:00:44 <pseudoramdom> hi
2932026-10-29T16:00:46 <nervana21> hi
2942026-10-29T16:00:51 <johnny9dev> Hi
2952026-10-29T16:00:52 <janb84> hi
2962026-10-29T16:00:58 <eugenesiegel> hi
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2982026-10-29T16:01:03 <pinheadmz> Yo
2992026-10-29T16:01:05 <stickies-v> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
3002026-10-29T16:01:09 <hebasto> hi
3012026-10-29T16:01:33 <instagibbs> hi
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3032026-10-29T16:02:20 <stickies-v> #topic Fuzzing WG Update (eugenesiegel, marcofleon)
3042026-10-29T16:03:09 <eugenesiegel> no update from my side
3052026-10-29T16:03:13 <stickies-v> #topic QML GUI WG Update (johnny9dev)
3062026-10-29T16:03:38 <johnny9dev> Merged in our integration test fixtures
3072026-10-29T16:04:02 <johnny9dev> We're working through some multi wallet management improvements and threading
3082026-10-29T16:04:21 <johnny9dev> Once those are in well be ready to focus in building up the staging branch.
3092026-10-29T16:04:29 <johnny9dev> That's all for now.
3102026-10-29T16:05:39 <stickies-v> #topic QA WG Update (brunoerg)
3112026-10-29T16:05:51 <brunoerg> Hi, just uploaded the results of a mutation testing for src/node/blockstorage.cpp, there are some interesting cases, in case anyone wants to see: https://mutanthub.space/projects/bitcoin/bitcoin/code/src/node/blockstorage.cpp?ref=4fe28722a572793da7614734a0c9cc8e1adc751a
3122026-10-29T16:05:56 <brunoerg> Thatâs all
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3152026-10-29T16:07:37 <stickies-v> that's all for the working groups! anything else to discuss?
3162026-10-29T16:08:09 <stickies-v> i think it's pretty impressive how we managed to crank out all those releases this week, kudos to everyone helping out
3172026-10-29T16:08:23 <yancy> just curious, what exactly is the merge policy or is there one.
3182026-10-29T16:08:40 <stickies-v> as per https://bitcoincore.org/en/2026/10/28/disclose-tcp-oom/ : going from first report on 2026-10-23 to finishing release on 2026-10-28 must be a record?
3192026-10-29T16:08:42 <yancy> I've submitted some small patches over the years, but never really been clear on that
3202026-10-29T16:09:25 <instagibbs> stickies-v +1, good work to everyone including builders for being available to get it done
3212026-10-29T16:09:36 <yancy> and the user docs on contributing doesn't really say anything of use
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3242026-10-29T16:10:19 <stickies-v> afaic it's not documented explicitly no, it's also really hard to quantify that in exact non-gameable criteria
3252026-10-29T16:10:23 <stickies-v> *afaik
3262026-10-29T16:10:28 <yancy> got it
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3282026-10-29T16:10:41 <yancy> in othere projects, there's sort of a two maintaner ack policy sometimes
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3302026-10-29T16:11:03 <stickies-v> despite how quickly and seemingly smooth this release went, i wonder if there are things we can do to make it easier / more automated, so we can continue to quickly publish releases when necessary
3312026-10-29T16:11:04 <yancy> wasn't sure what it might be in core since I've never observed any pattern
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3332026-10-29T16:11:37 <vasild> yancy: there is _some_ reasoning in CONTRIBUTING.md, under "Decision Making" Process
3342026-10-29T16:12:13 <yancy> brunoerg these are some interesting mutations. I feel like this might actully be something an LLM might be good at writing fixes for.
3352026-10-29T16:12:16 <stickies-v> e.g. i think one unnecessary point of friction is that release notes are reviewed in the PR, and then again during a release. the release is often months after a PR was merged, so almost no one still has good context on that change. i feel like it makes more sense to just only review release notes in the first PR, and then the final release notes is a purely mechanistic aggregation of all those excerpts
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3402026-10-29T16:13:09 <stickies-v> this might require some more (llm-lintable) rules on release notes in PRs, e.g. make sure they are assigned to an appropriate category, are complete, etc
3412026-10-29T16:13:52 <vasild> stickies-v: +1
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3442026-10-29T16:14:29 <yancy> vasild yeah, I've read that. I was just looking for feedback on if there was or wasn't a ACK merge policy, and it doesn't sound like there is.
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3472026-10-29T16:15:44 <instagibbs> PRs can sit around for a long time for various reasons
3482026-10-29T16:16:04 <instagibbs> including lack of attention by reviewers
3492026-10-29T16:17:19 <yancy> for sure. Shame reviewers :P
3502026-10-29T16:17:20 <stickies-v> can't remember the last time i saw a pr that was RFM and then not merged reasonably quickly; it's always lack of review/consensus in my experience
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3562026-10-29T16:19:03 <stickies-v> alright, looks like that's it for this week. thanks everyone
3572026-10-29T16:19:06 <stickies-v> #endmeeting
3582026-10-29T16:19:06 <corebot> stickies-v: Meeting ended at 2026-10-29T16:19+0000
3592026-10-29T16:19:07 <corebot> stickies-v: Raw log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-10-29_16_00.log.json
3602026-10-29T16:19:08 <corebot> stickies-v: Formatted log: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-10-29_16_00.log.html
3612026-10-29T16:19:09 <corebot> stickies-v: Minutes: https://achow101.com/ircmeetings/2026/bitcoin-core-dev.2026-10-29_16_00.html
3622026-10-29T16:19:15 <instagibbs> eugenesiegel looking to get some eyes on #36437 which sets up a 1p1c fuzz harness for follow up work to improve robutness(up to a limit)
3632026-10-29T16:19:17 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/36437 | orphanage: Fix orphan reconsideration disconnect hole, add 1p1c invariant harness by instagibbs · Pull Request #36437 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3652026-10-29T16:22:42 <jonatack> hi
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3672026-10-29T16:22:57 <eugenesiegel> instagibbs: might not have time to review soon (trying to add a feature to fuzzamoto), but after that's done I can
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3692026-10-29T16:27:01 <instagibbs> cool, v33 is target for follow up which fixes the most egregious issues with few loc
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3722026-10-29T16:33:01 <ghost43> Hey. I have just upgraded a server from bitcoind 31.1 to 32.1, and seeing some weird hangs with RPC calls. I guess due to the http server rewrite (?).
3732026-10-29T16:33:16 <ghost43> First I suspected it is due to higher "rpcthreads" and "rpcworkqueue" conf settings I have but now I can reproduce even without that. I have an ElectrumX hammering the bitcoin core rpc via json-rpc, and that seemingly works well, but if I run "$ bitcoin-cli help" or any other command via the cli, that hangs forever.
3742026-10-29T16:33:31 <ghost43> I have the same setup on different testnets but the issue only manifests on mainnet, presumably due to higher load on the RPC server there.
3752026-10-29T16:33:35 <ghost43> I have debug logs for "rpc" and "http" enabled and based on that my "bitcoin-cli" invocations do not even seem to reach bitcoind. If I restart bitcoind, for the first minute or so, "bitcoin-cli" responds, but I guess when ElectrumX starts hammering the RPC again, "bitcoin-cli" hangs. I have never seen this in older versions of bitcoind.
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3802026-10-29T16:42:44 <pinheadmz> ghost43 try higher -rpcmaxconnections
3812026-10-29T16:43:21 <pinheadmz> does ElectrumX reuse HTTP conenctions (i.e. a single keep-alive connection for all requests over the lifetime?)
3822026-10-29T16:43:49 <pinheadmz> or does hammering mean, many indepenedant, ephemeral, connections from different local ports
3832026-10-29T16:43:51 <darosior> ghost43: but the hammering ElectrumX does make progress right? So your issue is the additional connection through bitcoin-cli is never prioritized?
3842026-10-29T16:44:41 <ghost43> ElectrumX seems to be happy. my local "bitcoin-cli" call hangs for 10+ minutes (haven't tried waiting longer)
3852026-10-29T16:45:57 <pinheadmz> DEFAULT_MAX_HTTP_CONNECTIONS is 16. so if electrumX fills all those slots with long lasting connections, additional clients will not connect
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3912026-10-29T16:47:39 <ghost43> pinheadmz: hmm, just set "rpcmaxconnections=256" and that makes the issue go away indeed
3922026-10-29T16:48:10 <pinheadmz> great. well maybe we picked too low a deafult
3932026-10-29T16:48:49 <pinheadmz> the impact is requesting higher file descriptor limit from the system
3942026-10-29T16:50:09 <ghost43> I guess electrumx is using ephemeral sessions: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrumx/blob/280cb339aa158e099eb936033eecd15719770651/src/electrumx/server/daemon.py#L188
3952026-10-29T16:50:58 <ghost43> it has that "workqueue_semaphore" that is set to 10, so I would have expected 10 concurrent ephemeral sessions then? not sure
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3972026-10-29T16:55:52 <ghost43> well actually it only has a single aiohttp.ClientSession, it is supposed to be multiplexing 10 concurrent RPC calls onto that single sessions... hmm. anyway, thanks for the workaround! I will investigate
3982026-10-29T16:56:17 <pinheadmz> thanks for reporting, im gonna look into it as well
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4062026-10-29T17:05:53 <ghost43> pinheadmz: ah ok it's that aiohttp.ClientSession is actually managing a pool of connections, it's not a single session :D
4072026-10-29T17:06:03 <ghost43> https://docs.aiohttp.org/en/stable/client_reference.html#connectors
4082026-10-29T17:06:04 <darosior> The issue of requesting too high file descriptors goes away once we finally ditch select()..
4092026-10-29T17:06:08 <pinheadmz> but just 10 connections right?
4102026-10-29T17:06:11 <ghost43> "limit (int) â total number simultaneous connections. If limit is 0 the connector has no limit (default: 100)."
4112026-10-29T17:06:26 <pinheadmz> oh
4122026-10-29T17:06:46 <ghost43> (electrumx is using the defaults. this limit of 100 comes from the aiohttp lib)
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4162026-10-29T17:22:56 <pinheadmz> when you were hammering, electrumx max_workqueue was still just the default 10? were you running more than one electrumx process?
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4212026-10-29T17:31:30 <ghost43> pinheadmz: ahhhh, I forgot I have a second private electrumx running next to the prod one, that I use to test things xD that one has no traffic but it must have also soaked up some slots indeed
4222026-10-29T17:31:51 <ghost43> with that shut down, actually even the default 16 slots seem to be enough
4232026-10-29T17:32:10 <pinheadmz> ok! things making sense!
4242026-10-29T17:32:29 <ghost43> sorry
4252026-10-29T17:32:49 <pinheadmz> no no, alllll good.
4262026-10-29T17:36:06 <ghost43> that also explains why I was not seeing the issue on any of the testnets. mainnet is the only network where I don't directly test on the production instance (so there is this second one running in parallel) :D
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4282026-10-29T17:39:06 <pinheadmz> darosior select/poll both still need fds to connect, that amount is still capped by the platform but since #35730 we can actually prevent the user from crashing bitcoin by opening too many http connections
4292026-10-29T17:39:09 <corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/35730 | http: limit connected HTTPRemoteClients by pinheadmz · Pull Request #35730 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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4602026-10-29T18:19:12 <darosior> pinheadmz: sure, but select() is much more limiting (1024 fds at most)
4612026-10-29T18:19:56 <darosior> i.e. we'd be able to lift that cap: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/6ed5aad06111177c39f9b9f07a52634476380ae1/src/init.cpp#L1143-L1145
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5202026-10-29T21:40:08 <darosior> Thank god for clankers.
5212026-10-29T21:40:56 <darosior> Trying to test a TCP urgent data corner case on Windows, because the WinSock implementation is closed source
5222026-10-29T21:41:20 <darosior> "We are testing TCP. The UDP is only the cable between the host script and the VMâs virtual network card, and Windows never sees it. QEMU takes the UDP datagramâs payload, which is the raw Ethernet frame, and injects it into the emulated NIC as if it had arrived on a wire. In the other direction, frames Windows sends out that NIC come back to
5232026-10-29T21:41:20 <darosior> the script as UDP datagrams."
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