{"id":214,"date":"2003-12-22T15:13:38","date_gmt":"2003-12-22T05:13:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.erisian.com.au\/wordpress\/?p=214"},"modified":"2003-12-22T15:13:38","modified_gmt":"2003-12-22T05:13:38","slug":"whos-responsible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.erisian.com.au\/wordpress\/2003\/12\/22\/whos-responsible","title":{"rendered":"Who&#8217;s Responsible?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/azure.humbug.org.au\/~bjf\/blog\/politics\/war\/20031221-saddam.html\">Ben<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dbs.id.au\/blog\/misc\/saddams-liberation.html\">David<\/a> have been having a little cross-blog discussion about Saddam being found in a hole, and how much America sucks.<\/p>\n<p>In his followup, Ben <a href=\"http:\/\/azure.humbug.org.au\/~bjf\/blog\/politics\/war\/20031222-blog.html\">writes<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>But no, I dont believe the Americans should get a break. The US is unquestionably a superpower and with that superpower status comes a responsibility to lead like it or not, people and nations around the world look to politically and culturally strong nations like the United States for leadership.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>In a similar vein, Ben&#8217;s also said in the past (in relation to his <a href=\"http:\/\/azure.humbug.org.au\/~bjf\/blog\/politics\/20031208-bolt.html\">Pot. Kettle. Black<\/a> post):<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>&lt;bjf&gt; well, if i were aiming to be a reputable media outlet, i&#8217;d feel more strongly obligated to be less biased politically<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hopefully Ben won&#8217;t mind that quote being pulled from IRC and stuck on the web for all to see, especially given it&#8217;s not terribly different in intent to the quote above. Basically, the viewpoint is that people in positions of power should be held to a higher level of responsibility and accountability than others &#8212; usually the speaker.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think this makes sense. It&#8217;s obvious hypocrisy &#8212; holding others to standards to which you don&#8217;t hold yourself is the definition of the word afterall &#8212; for a start, but even moreso it&#8217;s just a bad philosophy.<\/p>\n<p>For one, no one&#8217;s going to care about your standards if you don&#8217;t live up to them yourself, and if you&#8217;re not powerful by regular means, you&#8217;ve got no other leverage than persuasion. America doesn&#8217;t need anyone&#8217;s support to destroy its enemies, however much it might like that support but Australia does.<\/p>\n<p>For another, it&#8217;s liable to degenerate into arguments about who&#8217;s powerful: find a right-wing columnist, and they&#8217;ll tell you they&#8217;re a voice in the wilderness barely heard amidst the chirruping of the left-wing media. Ask a left-winger the same thing, and they&#8217;ll tell you that their principled dissent is under constant attack by the conservative forces and their propaganda machines. There seems to be very strong evidence of an &#8220;underdog bias&#8221; when evaluating your own ideology&#8217;s position, and the natural result of that and the adoption of Ben&#8217;s principle above is that everyone refuses to hold themselves to high standards, but expects everyone else to do so. That&#8217;s not healthy.<\/p>\n<p>And finally, if you don&#8217;t get some practice holding yourself to high standards when you&#8217;re not doing an important job, you&#8217;re probably not going to be able to when you are doing something that involves a lot of power. That can happen without you doing anything &#8212; &#8220;Linux hacker&#8221; wasn&#8217;t a very important or powerful position in the early 1990s, but it&#8217;s a lot <a href=\"http:\/\/yahoo.businessweek.com\/technology\/content\/nov2003\/tc20031119_9737.htm\">moreso<\/a> now &#8212; so it&#8217;s best to be prepared as soon as you can be.<\/p>\n<p>(Is this one of the divisive issues between &#8220;left&#8221; and &#8220;right&#8221;? That right-wingers expect everyone to act responsibly at all times, and left-wingers only expect certain elites to act responsibly? Do left-wingers ever accept responsibility themselves as a matter of course, or do they only thrust it upon others, or have it thrust upon them? Are right-wingers any better in practice?)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ben and David have been having a little cross-blog discussion about Saddam being found in a hole, and how much America sucks. In his followup, Ben writes: But no, I dont believe the Americans should get a break. 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